Why do white women not speak up about the lack of blacks and Latinos at tech companies?

Apr 1, 2018 62 Comments

Seems like the diversity and inclusion efforts prioritize women.

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  • Undisclosed MLYX13
    Maybe because job positions are not Halloween candy that’s supposed to be shared equally among all the kids? Continue pushing this flawed narrative and you will ruin everything for everyone.

    The sad truth is that even the current levels of diversity are achieved unfairly, and it’s already very obvious that ridiculous incompetence can hide behind skin color or gender.
    Apr 1, 2018 5
    • Undisclosed MLYX13
      The data can be seen through the grapevine. No matter the PC stranglehold you put on a subject, people will still find a way to talk about problems. And if you keep hearing about the same problem through the grapevine that means the aggregates are definitely there.

      The actual data will be provided after you give me data that proves forced diversity equals success.
      Apr 2, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng interloop
      "if people say it's true it's true"
      Ok.
      Apr 2, 2018
  • Microsoft wlb
    Why would they?
    Apr 1, 2018 6
    • Uber rIik73
      OP
      That's part of my assumption. But I also think there is a limited slices of the pie. If women begin to point out that hiring, pay, promotions, etc., are an issue for these other group, an even bigger issue, then that less leverage and opportunity for women.

      Based on that logic. Then why should any men care about equal pay, treatment, etc., for women? I do because I think it is unjust and I believe it's good for business. It doesn't benefit me in any way. I just think it's right. I hear a lot of women also frame it in terms of right vs wrong, which makes their silence on other groups harder to understand. Maybe I'm an idealist. I really want to see a level playing field for everyone. I also cry in movies when bad and sad things happen.
      Apr 1, 2018
    • Undisclosed AgnewsHead
      May be they don't believe there is a problem
      Apr 1, 2018
  • Checkr / Eng Money 💰
    I'm so tired of hearing about diversity everywhere all the time especially in tech startups.

    Trust me, I am all for diversity, I love and embrace cultures and different point of views and background and I am very open minded, but when is it gonna be enough?

    We are making such a big deal of diversity that sometimes some hiring decisions are made solely on diversity and not skills. This is very dangerous and I have seen promotions that would have probably not happened if the person was not "diverse". I am afraid for the future where quota in companies are gonna be mandatory per race / gender and people hired will wonder if they got hired for their skills or because they help the company reach the quota. It's a lose lose situation IMO.
    Apr 1, 2018 1
    • Undisclosed 🍅 Sauce
      You mean women. I've seen this happen with women, e.g., hired into engineering as an engineering manager from non-engineering role without having to go through interviews. Diversity in Silicon Valley is about women...mostly white women.
      Apr 11, 2018
  • Uber rIik73
    OP
    I think it is odd for one group to advocate for the end of unfairness in pay, access, treatment, etc., and do it in a way where it only helps them. It feels hypocritical. I'm just trying to understand it. Blacks and Latinos have it worse than women and I find it striking that plenty of white men are championing gender equity exclusively within the context of diversity. Personally, I've been a strong advocate for all groups that I feel aren't being treated fairly. But when I mention underrepresented minorities, I find the enthusiasm in the room vanishes. Shouldn't we all be focused on fixing every aspect of these systemic problems?
    Apr 1, 2018 3
    • Uber migRI89
      ^ some very good points, Expedia. If people always trying to advocate for 'a bigger group', then where do u draw the line?? Everybody would be screaming they want yelling world peace... Sometimes it is good to start small and be specific and give concrete examples in order to get what you want...
      Apr 1, 2018
    • Deloitte PVaQ48
      BLACK AMERICAN Civil Rights paved the way for everything (female, gay, hispnaic, disabled, etc.).
      Apr 3, 2018
  • Microsoft ZuckB
    Give it a rest Uber, first week you are out of the news cycle. Enjoy it.
    Apr 1, 2018 4
    • Microsoft
      JoanHarris

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      Goddess of sexual pleasure and other pleasant things. I have left Microsoft and am working at Amazon but, of course, my opinions are my own.
      JoanHarrismore
      First, they aren’t ignored - at MIcrosoft the focus was on women, blacks, and latinos.

      Second, even if they were being ignored it would only be the male half of those races. But, again, I don’t think that is the case.

      Third, women are the majority of people so targeting initiatives there will likely be more visible.

      Last, most diversity advocates I know *do* speak up for underrepresented minorities so I’m not sure your experience is necessarily what is happening.
      Apr 1, 2018
    • Microsoft ZuckB
      It’s for college students, wtf are you on about? Can you Bing? http://www.hiddengeniusproject.org/ubercareerprep/
      Apr 1, 2018
  • Undisclosed zVEC05
    Probably because there just aren't many blacks or latinos with CS degrees. You can't control the life/career someone makes.

    I've been a manager in the industry for nearly 20 years. I've had 1 black applicant in that time. He flopped in the interview. Can't hire people who aren't applying.
    Apr 2, 2018 3
    • Undisclosed 🍅 Sauce
      Why are you focusing on CS degrees? That's a fallacy. Let's leave eng out of it. The numbers suck for other areas like marketing, accounting, finance, product, etc. Don't need CS degrees for those. The "pipeline" problem is just a bullshit excuse.
      Apr 11, 2018
    • Undisclosed zVEC05
      Ok, what's the ratio of black & Latino graduates in those other fields?

      Also CS positions make up the majority of jobs in tech firms. Why focus on tech because when people complain about why aren't there more X in tech, they're talking technical people.

      My guess is if you look at the graduate pool & the hired populace you'll see percentages that Mach just like you see in engineering. It's only "bullshit" if you can't do basic math.
      Apr 15, 2018
  • Compass / Eng
    FUPayMe

    Compass Eng

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    FUPayMemore
    Same reason most of them voted for trump... they don’t care.
    Apr 1, 2018 4
    • Uber Wallet$
      I believe there was more support from white women in the Midwest. Is the 33% number the Bay Area? That's not "most" of them but I'm guessing your real point is that they just don't care. Passionately saying you are resisting injustice is just virtue signaling, but they are just as biased as white men. In a way, it makes sense. If you are a white male feeling pressure or wanting to consider yourself "woke" it's more comfortable hiring people who you identify with, they are like your mom, daughter, sister, or wife. While a black man or woman is not. There is actually a tech manager I know whose teams is 33%+ white women, under 30, attractive in the conventional sense, and mostly blond. Then I met his wife at the holiday party. He was hiring slightly younger copies of his wife.
      Apr 1, 2018
    • Uber Wallet$
      Adding on to the above. It's kinda good that 33% of his team are women, but whatever mental process he is using when making hiring decisions is likely heavily biased. Viewing gender inequality within the context of your experiences as a man, is such a unwoke man thing to do. Maybe this is progress, but ugly progress.
      Apr 1, 2018
  • Facebook / Eng interloop
    I see some white women speak up about the lack of blacks and latinos. I fail to see why this matters. Speaking about gender discrimination helps all races. And to believe in the active discrimination of females you also have to believe in inherent bias. Which speaking out against also helps all races.
    Apr 1, 2018 2
    • Facebook / Eng interloop
      I think you're expecting too much from private companies. They will never be able to fix our countries decades long problem.
      Apr 1, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng interloop
      The idea that campaigning for women's rights means white womens rights was true in the 1900s. It doesn't have to mean that anymore. If you continue to separate their movement from the one of complete equality you won't make as fast progress.

      You can both argue for women's rights and for privilege to stop existing. It's not a binary choice and especially now it's important we fight for everyones equality.
      Apr 11, 2018
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    • Pinterest / Eng jsriskxy
      I don't understand your point. Most eng orgs in the Bay area are about 65% Asian (Indian or Chinese) , 30% white (American, European) and 5% other. Neither Asian men nor women are underrepresented. Asian women have the same level of underrepresentation as white women in terms of men-women ratio so about 75-80%/20-25%
      Apr 1, 2018
    • Rlik73 it's probably because if people like you that insult when trying to have a discussion that people don't care about balcks and Latinos
      Apr 1, 2018
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    • LinkedIn / Eng xbox one80
      That's what woman in tech is. It's a reservation for a category of people who wants privileged treatment where they don't necessarily deserve it.
      Apr 8, 2018
    • Undisclosed 🍅 Sauce
      When you are a guest in our country, you might want to educate yourself on our history. Also, I don't think we need to be making decisions based on how things work in India.

      Indians are the most racist and discriminatory people I've worked with. Period.
      Apr 11, 2018

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