Will Amazon engineers be blacklisted in tech industry ?

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Oct 26, 2020 176 Comments

I am new grad, I am worried that the current negativity with Amazon will result in companies not willing to interview/hire Amazon engineers in future. It's no secret that Amazon bar has went down significantly, but what is more worrying me is that I won't get interview calls if recruiters/hiring managers see I am from Amazon as they will think I am a burnt out engineer with sub-par talent.

So will in future (unless Amazon fixes it's pip policy), Amazon be blacklisted or Amzon engineers be considered untouchables ? How's the situation currently for those that left Amazon and went to somewhere better.

EDIT : I might be exaggerating this fear, but hey looking at the current scenario I doubt things will change at Amazon and the industry might just not like Amazon engineers in future.

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  • Google
    BicBoiAtG

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    BicBoiAtG
    0% chance of happening. You’re super devaluing how exclusive it is to get a job at Amazon. Blind doesn’t represent the entire industry. Having Amazon on your resume will be good.
    Oct 26, 2020 16
  • Amazon
    lyIw84

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    lyIw84
    I got brain damage reading this post. Experience at Amazon is more valuable than experience at the vast majority of companies. Infact arguments can be made Amazon experience outclasses experience anywhere else including Facebook and Google. At the end of the day you are judged for shit you done.
    Oct 26, 2020 20
    • Amazon
      lyIw84

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      lyIw84
      What I like about Amazon is that they will pay you what you are worth to them regardless if you have competing offers or not. Google pays you the least they can and you have to argue your way to higher salary. Microsoft does this as well. If they can give you peanuts they will pay you that. Amazon gave me a TC I was happy with even though I didn't negotiate at all. It is very hard to negotiate when you don't have top tier companies on your resume.

      I don't get your statement that refreshes impact your TC before the cliff. You are guaranteed your TC for 4 years at Amazon. Refreshes are given for years 5+. If you aren't given good refreshes because you didn't get TT then you are free to seek a different job. A common strategy is indeed to ask for pivot and PIP as you can collect severance and get a high paying job at some other top company. Once you have Amazon on your resume it all becomes far easier. Thus I personally don't give the slightest shit about refreshers. It is a problem i'll deal with many years from now and is easily solved by simply getting a different job. I don't want to work at Amazon for decades as I feel once I have kids I wouldn't want to work more than 30 hours a week.
      Oct 26, 2020
    • Google
      uQLg22

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      uQLg22
      Yes, you are guaranteed your TC for 4 years based on the initial grant. However, you get refreshers every year after your first year, not just for years 5+... For example if your TC is currently 250k and you get a refresher of 100k after your first year, your second year TC would 275k (250k + 100/25) excluding any bonus and base raises. Obviously, this would cause a cliff after the 4th year, which is when most people jump ship anyways. So, I don't understand what you're saying. If you can get an offer from Google, I'm pretty sure its easy to get other competing offers.

      Ultimately, Amazon and Google are both excellent places for one's careers; however, saying Amazon trumps both G and FB in experience, is definitely false. This depends purely on the team, but I tend to find that G and FB has a higher probability of having a better experience ON AVERAGE than one at Amazon. Also, like someone mentioned earlier, Amazon's hiring bar has fallen down a black hole, which does tend to affect one's experience. I tend to find G and FB E4/L4 better engineers than an Amazon L5.
      Oct 26, 2020
  • You sound like a crazy person. You have to learn to distinguish between memes and reality.
    Oct 26, 2020 11
    • Amazon
      nsibd

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      nsibd
      OP
      Fair enough. Although if I were you I would avoid it if on Visa.
      Oct 26, 2020
    • Amazon
      jQtO88

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      jQtO88
      To offer a different perspective, I have great wlb, learning new things everyday, promo opportunities for high performers, nice manager.

      Any one person can have a wildly different experience at amzn which has over 1M employees
      Oct 26, 2020
  • Amazon
    mxxw64

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    mxxw64
    They wouldn't be blacklisting amazon engineers, they will be blacklisting amazon managers.
    Oct 26, 2020 5
    • ARM
      AJyf46

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      AJyf46
      This is always the case. You don't hire middle-managers from a corporation because they are always clueless idiots. Gervais principle.
      Oct 27, 2020
    • Shopify / Mgmt
      orders

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       orders
      Good managers do what they are told. Senior management is usually where the problem comes from.
      Nov 3, 2020
  • Yelp
    lag_gayi

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    lag_gayi
    Nah, the demand is too high (vs supply) for anyone to care about these things.

    Amazon is still considered one of the best places that offer good technicall growth to engineers (no rest and vest, performance is must, in most teams). Having Amazon in resume will make it much easier to get interviews.

    Also, Blind / Reddit etc are echo chambers.
    Oct 26, 2020 4
    • Yelp
      lag_gayi

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      lag_gayi
      The engineers are not the ones creating / driving the culture it's the managers and higher ups. No company has faced any issue due to "hiring a lot of Amazonians".
      Oct 26, 2020
    • Amazon
      jQtO88

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      jQtO88
      Op you can always switch teams. You might be on a bad team so unless youre already dev listed then you can switch.
      Oct 26, 2020