My title at work is *** Engineer, but what I do is mostly TPM. I'm trying to get into FAANG, mostly Amazon, at a TPM or Sr. TPM. Current employer can pay for whatever certification I choose, I think something like PMP can at least get me interviews for TPM roles. So, - Would you recommend TPM? - Where would you get training from? (I prefer self paced, only videos). - Not formally being in a PgM role, how hard would it be to maintain the certification? TC: 120K YOE: 10
Same as ^ , MSFT doesn’t care about PMP. Idk about Amazon or other FANG
I thought agile certs are the new PMP. At least that's what I see on LinkedIn.
PMI-ACP or something like SCRUM master?
All I know is that their certs sound fancy too. It's usually not just scrum master. They have some acronyms too.
Personally I don’t give a f**k if someone has a certification. Most of the times, I experienced people with certification try to give some BS bookish solutions that will never work in the real world. Someone who has the real world working experience gives much better solutions and I have seen that every single time. No offense to all who are certified though!!
Completely agree, but I don't control how companies hire. Whatever floats their boat.
I have both PMP and PMI-ACP. They will not teach you anything related to program management. You will just learn how to pass the PMP exam. Maintaining the certification isnt hard. Plenty of ways to do it, including reading books. Only recruiters will look at it and check a box in their search criteria but that's it. It can be useful for a career change or breaking into specific companies/industries but be realistic on the ROI. I would never hire someone based on that and if you are showing this certification as your greatest achievement as I often see in LinkedIn titles, you are a loser. TPM-ing at Amazon varies a lot depending on the team and org. Difference in responsabilities and tasks between launch TPM, domain TPM, others can be wild. The best way to show that you are qualified is explaining your responsibilities and results in your resume.
Thanks for confirming, it always came across as pretentious to me, but after having both certs, if you say so, that has much more weight. Yes, I've done a loop already with Amazon and they see TPM potential based on previous work. Applying for a specific TPM role seems futile, they're so general in the JD anyway. Eagerly waiting to discuss openings with a recruiter.
I would get a Scrum cert instead. PMP is old school, and I found it not very applicable in real life.
I have got one of those pmp certs and it's useless
Value of PMP - Not much. Will it help you in your job - very less. Probably just few parts. Will it help you getting job - Yes, May be. How? 1) Resume screening. Many companies likes if you have MBA or PMP for preferring candidate for interview from 100s of resume. Real Example - Manager selected about 10 resumes from 100s for SW lead (Asst manager job. Which is equivalent to TPM) But we wanted on 3 top candidate to call for phone interview. Now out of those 10 similar experienced candidates, 2 had PMP and 1 had MBA. They got first chance to have a phone interview. 2) If there are 2 similar candidates performed similar in interview, some people (very few though) give preference if someone has more/better certifications. 3) Some TPM questions are tricky. If you do not have extensive experience but have done PMP, you may get some good ideas/direction for answers. So conclusion - It May help you little bit getting the job. On your real role, it may not be very useful. I have used few parts of that it real life though.
If you want to do it on your own, go to udemy. They have very good courses. They had a few where they were offering it for 10$. Avoid boot camps. Maintain cert is very easy. You can ask about it later.
Speaking as someone who got a PMP back in 2010 and has been doing IT project/program management and product management since then...it's pretty much worthless outside of being a resume check box. The traditional PMP is 100% waterfall, if you want an agile cert from PMI, you'll want the PMI-ACP. I still don't think it's all that relevant, since PMI doesn't really *get* agile, but it is better for your actual work than the PMP. I did all my coursework online through Skillsoft, but keep in mind this was a decade ago. I have no idea what the PMP training landscape looks like these days. I haven't touched any formal coursework since then, but have kept my PMP cert up by OTJ training, agile courses, stuff like that. I'd guess that maybe 10% of the PMP coursework is actually relevant to my day to day. It is a valuable resume check box, though.
I have a PMP and no one knows I have one 😂
Are you in a PgM role at MSFT? Without any formal PgM experience (based on title) what would you recommend for getting PgM interviews?