FB M2 vs M1

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Oct 1, 2019 28 Comments

I am sure there are 20 other threads like this, but I'm unable to find a relevant response. Does anyone know how fb decides between M1 and M2 levels? Should I be talking about specific things when sharing examples that will help with M2 leveling?

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  • Facebook / Eng
    Gkurhhd

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    Gkurhhd
    Very rough - there coukd be always special circumstances

    Managing < 25 people => M1
    >25 and <50 people for 3+ years => M1/M2 based on interview and references
    >50 and <80 people for 3+ years = M2
    >80 = M2/D1

    Experience at lower tier companies is discounted. Managing contractors/offshore does not count. Managing big team for short period of time does not count.

    For interview, expectation is that M2 developed principles and can generalize individual cases and Apple them to org. Example - asked about developing sr engineers, M1 can talk on how he personally coach them etc, M2 is expected to answer on how he built org processes to support developing sr engineers.
    Oct 1, 2019 3
  • Facebook / Eng
    delete[]

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    delete[]
    M2 is a senior manager whose roll-up reports are usually over 30. You are also a manger of managers. M2 requires additional rounds like EM retrospective. Given you're a L7 at Amazon, getting a M2 offer is up leveling which I don't think it's happening. ICs are doable. Like L6 at Google is hired as E7 at FB. But EMs are quite different. More conservative. I saw a recent M2 hire who was reporting to a VP at Uber.
    Oct 1, 2019 5
    • Netflix
      m2material

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      m2material
      Got it, I am only asking to understand what experience M2 candidates had prior to Facebook especially if they are not coming from faang.

      And what qualification do you need to have for L7 round at google
      Jan 25, 2020
    • Google / Eng
      c<

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      Delete[] what in your experience distinguishes an M2 (from M1) in the design portion (given you give those)?
      Dec 7, 2020
  • Netflix
    m2material

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    m2material
    Can you ask for a M2 interview panel regardless? I make 650k at Netflix as a EM, I don’t think m1 can match that. But I really like Facebook. What should I do
    Jan 25, 2020 7
    • Netflix
      m2material

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      m2material
      I did focus on mentoring and empathy a lot, they said I showed good leadership skills but have a naive and optimistic approach to project management lol.
      I think a great experienced leader knows when the team needs management and when leadership - it depends on the company, culture, teammates experience etc. Netflix and Facebook don’t need micro managers and that’s great.

      Anyhow - I’ll prepare better and try again - thank you for your support and advice! I loved the experience overall and it’s a great company!
      Jan 25, 2020
    • Intel
      sBdE46

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      sBdE46
      Will M1 be asked to code in the interview? Should one just focus on grokking system design only or leet code as well?
      Nov 20, 2021
  • Amazon
    fbM2

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    fbM2
    OP
    Thanks for the responses. Also, the ones using TC to judge, your opinion isn't that useful. I expect to be in the edge given I have been managing managers for 2-3 years.
    Oct 2, 2019 3
    • Amazon
      fbM2

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      fbM2
      OP
      Currently at 3 managers. Team size is 30+
      Oct 2, 2019
    • Facebook / Eng
      Gkurhhd

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      Gkurhhd
      FB will probably push for M1 but there is chance (small) of getting M2. You can increase chance of that if you say that you will only accept M2 offer but it’s obviously risky.

      You will also need to nail all interviews for M2. With your TC (significantly below M1 comp) and amazon level you will need to pass interviews at nearly director level for M2 offer. Lukewarm hire in individual interviews will result in final no hire for M2.
      Oct 2, 2019
  • Current level & location at Amazon?
    Oct 1, 2019 1