Got an offer from another company, one level up and a lot more RSU. Feels like I will have to wait much longer to get promoted in the current group because there are a few people waiting in line(and seriously I think they should have been promoted but manager is kind of weak). Manager kind of micro manages and cares nothing but the details of the projects. Never mentioned promoting, what I can do to climb up etc. He doesn't seem to advocate for his direct reports as much as other managers in our sibling teams. Also my manager is only one level higher than us. So a bit complicated. I like the company and the projects I am doing. So I would want to stay to contribute more. How should I discuss this with my manager? Just never had experience like this. Feels a little immoral and don't want him to walk me out if I tell him I have an external offer.
Don’t do it unless you’re prepared to walk. You’re unlikely to bully your manager into an off-cycle promotion.
Our promotion happens in Sept because the review cycle ends in June. I won't force him. But wonder if he would make it happen in Sept
It’s not going to happen just because you want it to. If all you wanted was a raise, I’d hear you out. Promotion is even less likely. You’d have to be an employee that walks on water.
Generally I wouldn't play the "promote me or I'm leaving card."
I will never approach it that way. I will probably ask how far do you think I am from next level.
Grr . . . (BLIND - please move the POST button) To finish the thought . . . If you're willing to take the offer, then give your notice. Your reason is a better opportunity, which is true. Say nothing negative about your current situation. Assume you will leave. Keep everything upbeat. IF they counter, then perhaps you will want to consider it, but don't assume it will happen. If you're really not willing to take the new offer, I'd be very careful about dangling as leverage. There are a lot of ways that can go sideways.
Generally it is bad idea to use your offer to negotiate a better pay/position in your current company. You will be seen as someone who will be willing leave to the company anytime. It is also unethical practice IMHO. What is to prevent you from taking the counter to other company and try to negotiate for even more? Clearly you are not happy with your current situation. Make the switch.
But I also heard Google will match the counter offer to keep someone
Maybe they do. I do not know about that. Because I never played this card. In fact previous company I was working for did not want me to leave. When I gave the notice, they offered to beat Google's offer. I thanked them and politely refused the offer. I told them that I am going to test the waters at Google and if I don't like it I will be sure to reapply with them first.
Your manager is the ideal employee , employers decide to ignore. I will tell you exactly how it plays out. You can but know that your manager being the nice guy will push the decision on his manager mostly not a nice guy. If you are critical they may give you something and create a daily reminder you tried to quit, which will affect your future career at the same firm. Asking for a raise is very nuanced game.
Leave. The second you try to negotiate a raise against an offer that they’ll know you’re ready to anyway. Plus why strong arm your current employer into moving you up when you can go to a team who already sees it for you at the next level?
I can't see how you'd get a promotion in a counter offer. More money and more responsibilities that allow you to try for the next level yourself is pretty much the best case outcome, if you stay. As for being walked out, that's usually the result of giving notice. If you get walked out because you tell your manager you believe your compensation is below market, you have tested the waters outside to verify this, but you'd rather stay with a raise and seek a promotion, and then they still walk you out, then BULLET DODGED.
You can ask, and sometimes it works great, but that outcome greatly depends on the qualities of your management chain. And it sounds like your management chain is not a good one. So it’ll not work well for you.
Move companies