hey everyone, what are some good companies (learning, TC, brand for resume) that hire BAs/PMs with PM. after 2 promotions in little more than 2 years, im bored and want to work at a real tech company and make more money. not sure if i should stick it out here for another 2 years and try to get promoted again then go to b-school before transition or start applying now. any advice would be appreciated. thanks! TC - 120k edit: ok I'm guessing my original question was stupid so I'll rephrase: what should i do short term with my career if my mid term goal is PM (at a company like A,MS, LinkedIn, IBM etc...)
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Gotta get experience so I can get experience lol. Outside of new grad recruiting, how do people usually "break into" PM? Is it all SWE for x years -> PM? Is it Mba -> PM? I'm just trying to learn what my path should be short term if PM is what I'm striving for down the line
I know there are many non-engineering PMs that in some way try to pay their "dues" to belong in a tech group. Instead of business school, why don't you try an MS? If you just want the "tech company" on your resume, Msft has a wide range of PM work.
Do you mean an MS in CS? Would this be possible for someone to pursue without a CS undergrad? Interested in learning more
There are programs that accept people like that. There are prerequisites though. You need to show at least proficiency in object oriented programming and data structures. This is stuff you can get on any intro book. Check for admission criteria to MS program. It doesn't have to be CS though. You will find programs on Data Analytics find a way to bring people from different walks of life and gives you a good foundation for PM work.
B school is useless for strong PMs. Cut your teeth in startups.
Any resources that you recommend for me to research startups? Open to exploring this
B-school is worth it only if you go to HBS or GSB.
I agree roi on mba drops drastically as you go down the rankings, but looking at employment reports I think T10 schools (outside of gsb and hbs) recruit very well for tech (at least amazon and msft). I'm wondering if that's the route I should take and stay at my company until then or should I try to get another job for 2-3 years then apply
IMO there’s nothing those 2 schools offer that only makes their MBA “worth it”. Especially if the end goal in OP’s case is a Product Management gig somewhere lol. That would be nuts to spend nearly $200K in loans at HBS if somewhere else well ranked like Ross or McCombs is offering a full ride just so you can end up being a PM at Google or your company Salesforce making similar salary haha. That said, HBS and GSB will likely give you easier access to VC money & angel investors if you want to form a start up but aside from that, I don’t see it...
So you want a good company with a strong brand and high pay in trade for your little experience? Seems legit.
From your response I'm guessing that outside of new grad roles, it's tough to find pm gigs without a lot of experience? Any advice then on when I should start looking/where?
I’d say you need to drop your laundry list of unreasonable requirements. Find a company which will take a chance on you in the role, where you’re passionate about the product and can knock it out of the park. Top-end companies aren’t going to just up and take a chance on you because you want it. You need to book some wins and prove your worth.
Try this: research the companies you actually care about and whose products you’re passionate about. Check their career site for Associate PM roles. Research the recruiters and hiring managers on LinkedIn and reach out. There’s a bunch of books out there on PM and what’s needed on Amazon. No need for an MBA - yet. It’ll certainly help if you want to become a general manager or director some day though or if you get burnt out from being a PM and want to shift into Marketing or Operations.
The fastest thing to do would be to aim for a product role at a startup or non tech company in an area you specialize in. For example, if you’re a payments analyst look for a PM role in the payments space at a company in retail or finance. You can then go the generalist route by switching roles within the company, or find another role in the same space outside the org. The latter is the FASTEST route to FAANG Product management. A PM with 4 years experience in payments and 2 years as an analyst in payments looks WAY better for a Google Payments PM role than 8 years general PM experience.
This was very helpful, thank you! Never really thought of the startup route, but seems to be very recommended in this thread so I'll do more research. Any recommendations on where to start? (Any resources/sites that I can use to research startups)
LinkedIn. Look through the open PM roles. FYI it will be harder to get a PM job at a startup than a non tech company going through digital transformation. Apply to roles with less than 10 applicants and search for positions in your expertise
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