Friends, I’m in a bind.
I have Prior tech background, 8 yrs at Amazon - Sr PM 5yrs + Manager Marketing (3 yrs). Now I’m moving internally and have several options with an offer for a PM-T (7 scoped) role.
But I’ve not accepted because I’m need the following info:
1. Does a Sr PM-T in AWS gets paid more than Manager, PM (non T, not AWS) - both L6?
2. Is there a better growth path for a people manager or a Principal ?
Any insights truly appreciate. TC $240, HV2.
Wrinkle - THANKS A LOT everyone for your answers! I now have a CTO offer from a startup with $350k total comp. Super comfortable with the tech there. I might take that one if all goes well.
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Promo to Principal PM is easier than promo to Sr Mgr, PM because with a manager you need to display a lot of people management stuff (promoting others, performance management, hiring etc) which isn’t required for a Principal promo. That being said, I agree with the below comment that things change with a T because the tech bar isn’t easy to clear. If I were you, I would get promoted to a Principal PM (non tech) and then figure out whatever route you want to move to, Manager vs T. If you definitely want to choose one of these two, choose Mgr path and use the experience to apply for PM manager roles outside of Amazon as it is easier to crack higher levels for managerial roles vs IC roles
Apple IT is full of nasty old fashioned anti feminist desi uncle’s like u ——who are so biased against women n teams full of 99 percent desis only that too from 1 or 2 regions …
hardly any diversity in tech there…only majorly uncle types desis there … glad I left it n moved away from tech …happy to work in diverse teams now ..
No surprise that U too are 1840s Uncle type - go learn new age sms lingo n don’t take out your frustration on women …
PM-T = Product Manager Tech
PM-TES = Product Manager Tech External Services
Comp - PM < PM-T < PM-TES
L6, L7= individual contributor (IC)
L7M = Senior Manager (people manager)- can me PM or PM-T
Going from L7 to L7M means going ftom IC to people manager
Salesforce - I haven’t been at meta long enough to accurately gauge the wlb but my observations has been that it’s similar to Amazon. I wouldn’t say people are having to kill themselves for the extra tc.
I agree that Meta pays more on average - I wouldn't say it's a huge difference - certainly wouldn't say you get screwed, but Amazon has become more competitive with TC. I think in your situation it was always going to make more sense to move to another company once you got promoted to L6. The difference between bottom (at Amazon) to mid band (at another company) alone is enough to justify moving to a company of comparable pay.