What’s your perception on software quality engineer role? Does it exist in your org?

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tc130yoe6

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tc130yoe6
Feb 11 24 Comments

In Red Hat we have many QE ppl, I feel like they are good mix of highly technical ppl to sometimes completely non tech ppl trying to learn and grow. Many of them are also great at complex programming that automates product testing and CI/CD. Due to nature of Red Hat products many QEs become expert at DevOps or sysadmin kind of stuff too, but I generally don’t understand is this common across industry or Red Hat is odd company in that regard ?

I’d say QE in Red Hat is basically SDET/Automation role you are mentioning, Red Hat had ran a poll last year and most people wanted to be called SQE instead of SDET because that was mouthful.

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  • Asurion
    chaata

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    chaata
    QA is now a dinosaur role in most places with TDD and devs responsible for QA.
    Feb 11 4
  • I wish we had SDET. I think msft is trying to bring it back? Devs don’t do an adequate job of testing, neither we are trained on how to do that. Big chunk of windows is missing unit tests. We push the code and hope that bugs get caught during full system tests, but this approach tends to backfire.

    Why would devs hate QA people? They make devs work much easier and probably do a better job at testing than a dev can do. A dev who wrote the code would be biased since they know the underlying implementation. Having another person writing tests would definitely catch more issues
    Feb 12 2
    • Red Hat
      tc130yoe6

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      tc130yoe6
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      I agree with your assessment but I’m curious if other devs at other companies subscribe to this thought 💭
      Feb 12
    • Meta
      OwmM55

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      OwmM55
      MSFT still has SDET. They just got rid of the test eng's role basically as they got better value from manual QA contractors and testing from beta-ing their features to their customers. Last I heard MSFT moved alot of their stuff to external services such as endtest so sounds like SDET future at MSFT may not be so bright lul if there not writing their own internal test infrastructure.
      Feb 16
  • Sorry to break it to you. QA/QE is dead.
    Feb 11 4
    • Red Hat
      tc130yoe6

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      @thewiseone I’d say QE in Red Hat is basically SDET/Automation role you are mentioning, Red Hat had ran a poll last year and most people wanted to be called SQE instead of SDET because that was mouthful.
      Feb 12
    • Meta
      OwmM55

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      OwmM55
      Companies are moving toward contracting out manual QA work and having devs own their own tests. SDET are still being hired but are expected to work on Test Infra/Tooling work and not for test automation. Hiring SDET's has always been very difficult as most candidates are geared toward being a test eng and not a SDET.
      Google basically split the roles between test eng and sde in eng productivity in order to make the role guidelines and expectations more clear.
      Feb 17
  • Charter
    Proffa

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    Proffa
    I’m part of a testing org at red hat.
    I’m not sure I fully seen what you are describing but the code I seen from some engineers do clean up their work but it’s still at a low level of what I like to do.

    I believe code should be self healing.
    I don’t really mean AI/ML level but I do think that when we test for example a pod deployment in openshift, that the code should integrate pod failure logs and attempt to run “healing” fixes to make sure it works. Things like that.

    I really want to automate myself out of a job so I can move into the next more advance topics.
    Feb 13 0
  • Snap
    Yo Gary

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    Yo Gary
    Red Hat is one of the worlds most exceptionally dumb companies.

    Please move out of that stank hole asap
    Feb 18 3
    • Snap
      Yo Gary

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      Yo Gary
      where do I start? It’s a world apart from top companies.

      Bureaucracy, politics, bad talent, company malpractices, low compensation, low efficiency, bad products (just beat the drum about openshift and rhel)… phew. The list isn’t going to end anytime soon
      Feb 18
    • Red Hat
      tc130yoe6

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      tc130yoe6
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      Were you at Red Hat before ?
      Feb 18