Staff Engineer level and up salaries for big tech in EU vs US?

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fGSH13

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Apr 2 25 Comments

I see TCs of $600k+ for US for most major public companies and some up to $900k-$1m, any idea what are the equivalents in major EU capitals? (Paris, London, Amsterdam, Berlin, Dublin) It’s true that it is much less?
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  • Visa
    sds123

    Go to company page Visa

    sds123
    Lol ur in for a surprise
    Apr 2 5
    • Uber
      hfHH16

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      hfHH16
      What happens when people in US rave about Europe and their labor unions/labor laws. Everyone just becomes equally poor in Europe.
      Apr 2
    • Salaries have nothing to do with labor laws, purely driven by supply and demand. Much more high end swe jobs in the US, especially in places like sea and sfo. Salaries in Europe are going up rapidly because more companies are sourcing remote devs from other parts of the world.
      Apr 2
  • Apple
    M1 chip

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    M1 chip
    I think it's just a game of offer/demand

    The US doesn't provide affordable healthcare or education, not enough people can afford going into STEM, it's just too expensive and too risky so it's better to take a job that doesn't demand college education

    Then big tech companies want to hire talent, unfortunately most American candidates who didn't go to these schools are not good enough, they may be capable but they are not trained for it

    This creates a high demand of *good* candidates and a virtually small pool of them so salaries go up (companies then have to import talent too which makes it even more expensive)

    You end up with the median household income of 130k in Bay Area (high demand) and 60k nationally

    The 60k can still sound very high but with tuition and healthcare prices as they are plus median household debt being 150k means you actually don't have a fancy life at that income

    Break a bone and you'll be thinking about selling the car, need surgery and you may want to get HELOC

    With Europe you are looking at 19k median income for most countries, affordable education, housing, healthcare, and median debt of 20-30k

    So while the numbers are low for Europe, you get more bang for your buck.
    Apr 2 0
  • Wayfair
    jfk2me

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    jfk2me
    In the EU staff salaries can start from somewhere north of 160-170k/yr upto 400k/yr(Stripe/HFT) at the maximum level. This is all in Euroes though.
    Apr 2 2
  • TC is one thing but then the taxes will show you a whole new aspect of the existing differences
    Apr 2 2
    • New / Eng
      fGSH13

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      fGSH13
      OP
      Sure taxes are higher as well but how is it the difference as gross?
      Apr 2
    • Stocks are very much less! For example in Ireland at Microsoft you could get around 15-40k euros sign on as a new grad (depending on how you negotiate) while in the US it's a 6 digit number. So even if in Europe the base is "just" 20-30k USD less you lose on the RSU. Now if you start at MSFT in the US then transfer to Europe you're better off
      Apr 2
  • Didn’t Europe enjoy 40-50 days off in a calendar year?
    Apr 2 1
    • New / Eng
      cryptoQD

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      Nomura
      cryptoQD
      @Amazon definitely more than US, usually 25 + 6 public holidays
      Apr 2