Explanation of what happened: RobinHood, WeBull etc. and trading restrictions

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Jan 28, 2021 26 Comments

I saw this on social media and sharing it here. There's a lot of crazy conspiracies out there (and some batshit crazy ones here) so its worth to at least explain what happened today with the stock restrictions for the few sane ones on Blind.

#robinhood #gme #bb #stock

First, we need to define two terms:

Social Media: A place where village idiots come together to create their own village.

Clearing house: a financial institution formed to facilitate the exchange of payments, securities, or derivates transactions. The clearing house stands between two clearing firms. Its purpose is to reduce the risk of a member firm failing to honor its trade settlement obligation. (Imagine an escrow, or your old-school weed dealer, but for stocks).

Before the market opened today, clearing firms (see above) told these brokerages (RH, WB, TD, etc.) to stop allowing opening positions for three companies as they're high volume with extremely high volatility, AMC, GME, BB and KOSS.

This matters to them because if you buy the stock today, there is a two day settlement period - those brokerage firms that you bought stock on have to fund that trade with the clearing central house called DTC for two whole days (48 hrs).

Because of the volatility of those stocks, DTC has made the cost of the collateral of the two-day holding period extremely expensive. Smaller brokerages, like WeBull or RobinHood, use clearing firms that cannot afford the cost to settle those trades (due to the high collateral + cost).

They also cannot use customer funds to front that cost due to regulation. So the clearance firms have to go into their own pockets to do it, but they simply cannot afford the cost of those trading clearances (due to the collateral, think of it as an insurance policy cost for a drunk 18 year old vs your mom). This is why the stocks are being put on hold on the smaller brokerages.

Now, large traditional brokerage accounts use clearing firms that can afford it and they have the cash to cover the risk, hence why they still allow for trading of high collateral volatile stocks, BUT they still restrict the amount that you can trade.

This is just the settlement mechanics of the market. There is no evil boogie man, and blaming it on small brokerages is just idiotic (see definition for Social Media above). If you don't like it, then ask your representatives to remove the collateral rate-hikes for high-volatility assets for clearing houses - which they can't do as these are private companies. Welcome to real life!

Also, the reason why you are able to trade commission free is because of RobinHood in the first place. Deleting it will just help centralize financial power to the large institutions and clearance houses in the first place (the WallStreet firms that you hated back in 08).

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  • Google
    sTQz85

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    sTQz85
    The whole market was extremely volatile in March 2020 and they didn't do sh*t. Why? It's because everage people lost money. Now rich guys lose and they come up with this crap. Are you that naive?
    Jan 28, 2021 3
  • Amazon
    isNoCowLVL

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    isNoCowLVL
    That's true, however, WeBull and others are allowing GME trades again after getting the greenlight from Apex. RH is not due to its financial backers: https://cointelegraph.com/news/financial-ties-between-robinhood-and-funds-shorting-gme-falls-under-scrutiny
    Jan 28, 2021 4
    • Uber
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      OP
      You and others who keep saying this stupid nonsense don't understand how Clearing Houses work. Do you seriously think that all these brokerages stopped trading these stocks because they wanted to? Its how they make money, they want to keep trading going. They couldn't. Because the collateral insurance during the two day transaction period shot up astronomically and only big sharks like Fidelity and Charles Schwab have enough house and cash to afford the risk. These small time brokerages were pissed about it as well. Its not something unusual, you just too lazy to get it and chose conspiracy theories instead.
      Jan 28, 2021
    • Uber
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      420.69.
      OP
      In other words, RH and WeBull and others DIDNT HAVE THE MONEY TO MAKE THE TRANSACTIONS. The collateral rate from Clearing houses are based on a formula, and when its volatile the cost of transaction rises. RH and WeBull can't use peoples money upfront to execute by LAW, so they have to pause trading a day or two to catch up (Brokerages have to hold the money for 2 days before taking in new orders) or find someone to lend them money. That's why RH was fishing for a credit line while pausing trading.
      Jan 28, 2021
  • Google / Eng
    GhostOfMp3

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    GhostOfMp3
    This is on RH. They can't claim to be the broker of the people and then have no obligation to handle these issues in a way that it benefits the people.
    They should have found a way around it. Maybe by banning both buy/sell
    Jan 28, 2021 2
    • Uber
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      OP
      They are not allowed by law to stop selling, and they couldn't get funding for executing buy orders, which is why they were on a spree looking for a credit line. Unfortunately most here don't understand the supply chain of trading. RH and other brokers wanted to allow people to trade, but the clearing houses wouldn't fund the transactions. So they had to skip a day.
      Jan 28, 2021
    • Google / Eng
      GhostOfMp3

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      GhostOfMp3
      RH CEO got asked point blank why they halted selling and he didn't have an answer.
      It's not illegal to stop selling
      Jan 29, 2021
  • Intel
    VHarkonnen

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    VHarkonnen
    There is foul play going on to protect the shorters. Maybe RH isn't the true villain, but they could have handed this better given their claimed mission.
    Jan 28, 2021 0
  • OP - Did you recently moved to Robinhood or have you accepted the offer?
    Jan 28, 2021 1
    • Uber
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      420.69.
      OP
      No, but this is not something out of the ordinary. Its actually well understood, it just get buried under the crazy conspiracies.
      Jan 28, 2021