Just my 2 cents:
1- If they want to introduce a positive change, let's first increase the ridiculous cap on eb visas, maybe add extra 100K (the extra cap can be free from country limits), this will help to clear the backlog.
2- If this bill succeeds (unlikely) there will be an exodus of non-Indian skilled workers from the US. The reason for that is not many people have the motivation to wait 10+ years for their immigration status to settle, Europeans, Canadians, Chinese and others will probably prefer to transfer to offices overseas or simply settle for other good opportunities back home. I'm certainly one of them, will never bother waiting around for years to get a GC!
Just my 2 cents:
- Groupon / Eng sleepyIf you think Indians a group then this is selfish. If you think of every individual as a separate entity then it’s not. Pro and anti groups campaign accordingly.
- About what? The 7% cap or the pooling? This is the link that talks about pooling: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-overhaul-immigration-system-merit-based-admissions
- When you discriminate, it can't be based on criteria that people can't strive to achieve. You can strive to achieve a degree - in theory nothing prevents you from doing that. Country of origin is something i can't change - it's immutable. We can always get better at what attainable criteria we can include. However, none of that should take hostage meaningful and simple reforms like kicking out country of birth from what qualifies anyone to get GC. Those who hate 386 should instead get a bill passed in house that has points based criteria and then start attacking the bill. At that point, they will find real allies. Many of us have waited decade for any reform.
If your wait time goes from 0-5 year and you were worried, where were you when many of us were waiting for a decade with no end in sight?
Just remember even in the points bills there is no country cap. That's because fundamentally country caps aren't skill. Having a fair first come first serve is reasonable - not because it's not the only criteria, but there is already skills criteria based on EB1 2 and 3.Jul 28, 2019 2
- I agree to the first point that it's not fair to place a criteria on a parameter that you can't overcome as it's inherently unfair.
But visa restrictions are unfortunately placed on the individual based on the country that they come from.
Visa free travel is granted to countries, not individuals. I think that's unfair also. But immigration is a cynical system that is used as leverage not really for the immigrants benefit.
Ideally the backlogs should not have allowed to get this bad.
Ideally this bill shouldn't have been required.
And ideally the merit based proposal should not be held hostage to daca, dreamers etc.
I'm not even against anyone waiting before getting pr, waiting is not the issue because everyone waits.... maybe waiting for PERM... etc. It's just with the backlogs the wait time is so uncertain and I think it's horrible.
- 'visa restrictions are unfortunately placed...' -> you are giving the motivation for s386 bill. Just because it was there doesn't mean it's set in stone. People can strive to fix a broken system.
Everyone wants points based system - but the honest truth is it's been 15 years and I have waited long enough, without support from RoW, who are happy with status quo because it keeps their privilege intact.
Travel ban - for the same reason (discrimination based on country) is very wrong. Many of us were at airports against the ban, because it is fundamentally discriminating someone based on immutable characteristic.
Will it increase wait times for RoW - yes, but as others said, we are individuals who are applying not countries. Just because it has been that way doesn't mean we can't work to fix it.Jul 29, 2019 2
- A question - why there will be an exodus of non-Indian people? If this bill goes through then new immigrants from India and Brazil will be treated the same way and have the same long wait time - but the Brazilian will just leave and Indian won’t? What exactly is the logic here. Also - America is unique in the sense that it has a differential treatment based on where the immigrant was born - so the Brazilian by your logic is protesting everywhere else to be treated differently than the Indian?
- I'd say they should be subject to country caps and everyone else processed in the same queue. I.e transfer all the other Chinese, Indians, Mexicans etc to the ROW queue.
I'd also add that one can't utilize a favorable priority date if the petition was filed by an evc type company or an h1b dependent company. Instead get a priority date based on when your new company (non-evc, non-h1b dependent) decided to file for your PERM.
This solves 2 problems:
1) Americans will no longer see this bill as giveaway to temporary workers who took their jobs
2) ROW will feel like this is a true level playing field with no advantage given to those who are willing to be exploited by evc companies for the purposes of getting a green card.
- New / Strategy Porsche996moreOP rhetorical question, say if you were Indian and waiting in GC queue what would you do?
I understand that no one wants to wait but simply seeing from someone else's view would alter your biases.
- Simple, if OP was Indian he would do one of the following:
1. Not be born in India.
2. Singlehandedly stop h1b fraud. But only the ones committed by Indians. As no other country commits h1b fraud.
3. Singlehandedly, find all "cheap" labor and ask them to leave. But again only from India. As no other country sends cheap labor.
4. Leave and make India great again.Jul 28, 2019 8
- Is even 1) an answer? How should I not be born after I am born?
2) that's what Grassley amendment does.
3) no other country sends cheap labor ? Seriously . What happened to all the RoW unskilled GC beneficiary who cut the line ahead? Not sure if you know, but the last 5 years data shows for some rest of world countries, the majority of GC beneficiary from those countries were pizza cutters and security guards, who made 30k. If you tell me they did prevailing wage determination to find they couldn't find anyone to be security guards, it's far worse fraud. To say no other country sends cheap labor is opposite of reality.
4) this isn't any different from random racist comment on internet - so I am going to ignore this one.Jul 30, 2019 1
- Citadel Securities wagecuck3It's not going to be 10+ years. Unused EB-1 visas spill over to EB-2, and EB-3 visas will never go unused because most EB-2 people can downgrade. So if all 120,000 visas in EB-1,2,3 get used for clearing the backlog every year, it will only take 6 years to clear the present backlog. Also the bill has a 3 year transition period so ROW applying in the 3 years after the bill is passed would only have slightly longer wait times than present. ROW applying in the 4th year would have to wait 3 years for the backlog to clear.
- Oracle embarcoderWe don't want to relitigate this, the experts (pro HR1044 Stuart Anderson from Forbes) have already done the analysis and determined that it will be a 10-year wait.
- SAP / Eng DFwE10moreYour 2 goes against the current conditions. Currently Indian wait time is more than 10 years and still we get enough. If there were good opportunities back home then they would have already gone - for everyone. 1 agreed. At a high TC, it makes sense to get cap exempt.
- My question is why r they are in a country for more than a decade on a work visa? Why they arent sent back .
I dont agree with ur "IF there were good oppt back home" I think you are just a naive and someone doesnt knw advancements in india now but rather want to settle abroad which is ok but dont say that there arent oppt back home
- Yahoo keo3OP, you know how a queuing system works? The customer standing in the queue is just asking to not treat them differently based on their country of birth. Doesn't sound unfair to me.
- Apple uPXo55OP is an idiot, there are lot of Indian/Chinese H1b people in Silicon Valley thriving with multimillion $ homes and well paying jobs, why should this be different for europeans or people from rest of the world, if you are interested to stay, wait in the line like Indians and Chinese. What I am noticing is “easy meal” withdrawal syndrome. Keep your 2 cents, save it for the return ticket, seems like you are not waiting types.