is Google overrated?

Sep 28, 2019 54 Comments

No one denies the fact that Googlers are talented.

But many teams at Google are way more chill and in comfort zone. there is no drive to push the boundries. do you feel like that?

Xoogler( 7 years at google)
apple 2 years

TC : 270k

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TOP 54 Comments
  • Amazon td123
    cannot believe people with 9 yoe with G and A only make 270k. are you kidding?
    Sep 28, 2019 7
    • No A. Your TC is shit.
      Sep 28, 2019
    • Apple s432
      Depends on which org you’re in, but if you’re a dev you should be making at least 300 via refreshers given your yoe
      Sep 28, 2019
  • Amazon vriP37
    No it's not overrated. Because it depends on what you want. Everyone still works smarter than other companies where you have to fight crazy politics anyway.

    I still think Google teaches you some of the best practices.

    This is my opinion based on working at ex Amazon, and current Google and my gf is ex Amazon current Fb.
    Sep 28, 2019 2
    • Google frijoles
      What does ur gf have anything to do with this? 😂
      Sep 28, 2019
    • Amazon vriP37
      She gives me her personal perspective in Fb vs a friend who might just give you high level talk. So just more sample of how folks feel about different places from my small circle perspective.

      But yeah I don't know why it matters as well. 😭
      Sep 28, 2019
  • Google TC Patrol
    Google isnt the at the top anymore from a perspective of just TC, but when you consider the whole package: TC + WLB + perks + future resume value, it is pretty damn good
    Sep 28, 2019 5
    • Apple siashow
      Lyft too.
      Sep 28, 2019
    • Google TC Patrol
      I think Lyft's stock will go to shit, but if I'm wrong, then yeah definitely.
      Sep 28, 2019
  • Cerner / Eng
    StyaPichai

    Cerner Eng

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    Arunachala.
    StyaPichaimore
    I do not work for Google but based on my observation, Google gives the onus of pushing the boundaries to the individual instead of putting pressure on them. If you are hungry enough, you will be passionate enough to drive and push the limits. You will not have that fear of missing out or fear of making mistakes like in Amazon/Facebook. That is more important for a person to move forward and to take risks and deliver freely.

    If you are talented enough to prepare so hard and get into Google, you deserve the respect and individuality and also, you'll be mature enough to decide if you want to push your limits or take it easy.
    Sep 28, 2019 1
    • Google rc123
      Yeah, that's true, G is full of hungry people, trying to push their limits. Unfortunately, there are not enough limits to push for everyone, so talented people invented Promotion Driven Development.
      Sep 28, 2019
  • Amazon o3js89
    All I know is Google messed up the tech interviewing for everyone.
    Sep 28, 2019 10
    • Cerner / Eng
      StyaPichai

      Cerner Eng

      BIO
      Arunachala.
      StyaPichaimore
      Dude I can literally sit for a week and make up crazy stories to blow you away on LPs. I can't sit for a week and make up good algorithms to blow you away. The latter one comes with a practice and dedication. Former one comes with experience but also possible with manipulation. Google doesn't take chances.
      Sep 28, 2019
    • Amazon / Eng
      oneleg

      Amazon Eng

      PRE
      Microsoft, Amazon
      onelegmore
      Shrug. It’s not that easy to make up stories and be credible in light of deep questioning. But I’m sure some people can do it. My point is Amazon will take a chance on good people with solid experience they can tell about, even if they did not nail the LC bullshit
      Sep 28, 2019
  • Google / Eng XBYQ20
    Google is huge. There are drastically different teams. Some fit your description, some are absolutely different. Ability to find good teams it's one of the main perks imo.

    TC depends on the level. No-one is really pushing one to go above L4.
    Sep 28, 2019 7
    • Google / Eng XBYQ20
      If one one has no intellectual curiosity, and no interest in the details of the new project, I would not invite them to my project. Is that discrimination?

      On the other hand I know L4 who keeps refusing to think or talk to his manager about career or promotion, yet he is one of the best coders I saw at G. I would take or recommend him in a blink of an eye. He is my top preference.

      In the past I think you had to stay a minimum of 6 months before switching team. They could not hold you more than 18 months. In practice, most likely nobody is going to hold you, unless they want to fire you. What's the point to keep an unhappy team member.

      Feel free to dm, though I'm not the best communicator : )
      Sep 28, 2019
    • Two Sigma ejrie139
      Sorry I worded it poorly, by discrimination I was mainly just implying there would be a stigma against people trying to switch teams who stay L4 because managers may think they're either lazy or incompetent for staying L4
      Sep 28, 2019
  • McKinsey sallie
    Google is heaven for mentally retired folks lol. You can legit chill for life, and 80% of the people do. it’s great for when you want to start a family (5 months paid maternity leave, with the option of 6+ months unpaid), but if you’re a mid 20 year old person tryna hustle google is meh. In terms of promotion the company doesn’t push you to go past L4 u RLY have to be self motivated to get past L4/L5.
    -* I was a previous L4 SWE
    Sep 28, 2019 10
    • Amazon vriP37
      Oh nice, Amazon is pretty cool. Left there for Google lol. The race continues.
      Sep 28, 2019
    • McKinsey sallie
      Lol yes same rat race - for me I’m just tryna Learn how to work more than 35 hours a week you kno.
      Sep 28, 2019
  • Google / Eng cigsinside
    Totally overrated. It's a great place to work but it still has its flaws and it's much less glamorous than what people would have you think. Lots of teams are incredibly boring, there's a ton of corporate BS/politics, and pay is no longer top tier. At the scale Google has grown to it's also hard to guarantee quality everywhere and there's lots of shitty tech that has slipped thru the cracks. As others have said, it totally depends on where you are in the company, what you want to work on, your role, etc.
    Sep 28, 2019 2
    • Two Sigma ejrie139
      But you guys get to chill when you reach L4 right?
      Sep 28, 2019
    • Google / Eng cigsinside
      Yes, compared to other jobs in tech G is mainly pretty low pressure
      Sep 28, 2019
  • Oracle lfkcofokd
    Xoogler also. The lack of concern for the customer (esp if you've also been at Amzn) is stupefying. I've seen fellow Googlers' suggestions about a product met with massive layers of excuses for inaction just based on the fix being technically combersome. Then those devs will beat their chest about how little the others know about the technical details of the proposed change.

    That's partly how you get that long scroll in killedbygoogle.com.

    PMs are perhaps the most overrated.
    Dev LC skills are still top tier but you get plenty of LC specialists who are bad on the job.
    Leadership and management are are also overrated.
    Sep 28, 2019 1
    • McKinsey sallie
      +1 on the first part. The entire company is about putting the best eng resources and skills out there without really caring about the customer. GCP is *trying* but it’s hard to change the mindset that maybe sometimes (SOMETIMES??) customers are correct lol.
      Sep 28, 2019

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