Misc.Jan 12, 2020
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“lead” at Apple?

How senior is a “lead” role at Apple? This is for non tech. Whats the next level after “lead”? Director? And how many years out is a Lead to Director promo? Saw roles such as Appstore lead, marketing lead etc at Apple. Any idea how this would translate in terms of level and comp to Amazon L7 earning on the mid-high end of the band? TC = 370K

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Apple PKLK08 Jan 12, 2020

As far as I know there is no official lead title.

Google yobloop Jan 12, 2020

No such thing as a lead. Leveling depends on interview performance. A lead can be any level.

Amazon FAANG2020 OP Jan 12, 2020

So a lead can also be Director?

Google yobloop Jan 12, 2020

Theoretically, sure. Leads are usually much lower level. It’s a fancy sounding title that people may like, so it’s a modified incentive.

Apple ajshdgf Jan 12, 2020

Even ICT4s can be leads, and I think that’s the bare minimum.

Apple canuck🇨🇦 Jan 12, 2020

Yep ICT4 is a “lead” at bare minimum.

Apple ((🥃)) Jan 12, 2020

Apple has "IC" and "ICT" levels for individual contributors. Those are the only levels used for compensation. All other titles in job postings or on LinkedIn are irrelevant to your pay. You can call yourself "senior staff lead Superninja of machine learning" on LinkedIn or your resume. Apple don't care. But it matters to many people, and that's reasonable: if you have a PhD in teleportation, for instance, you'd want to be known as a researcher rather than a programmer, since tech has a very serious caste system.

Amazon FAANG2020 OP Jan 12, 2020

Thanks. So “lead” sounds like an IC role? For a “manager” role I assume the title would say “head”? Is “head” senior at Apple?

Apple ((🥃)) Jan 12, 2020

Manager roles would say "manager". Ask if you will be managing people and how many.

Apple nPSY63 Jan 13, 2020

In my team everybody is a “lead” of something or the other even though they are new college grads.

Apple JxmW82 Jan 15, 2020

I have not seen title inflation in Apple. A manager in Apple is the equivalent of a Director in a company like say Walmart.

Apple nPSY63 Jan 15, 2020

The word lead is used everywhere. Its not a title inside apple