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Hi, Long story short, I am a self-taught Software Engineer. I got into Google purely through pounding leetcode to the point of getting good at coding competitions. While grinding leetcode for 4 years I worked at a few small < 8 people companies to ābuild my resumeā but didnāt learn anything at all. When I cracked the interview here I got over-leveled due to my āspectacularā algorithm problem solving performance. Once I started and shortly after onboarding, I was almost immediately put on a large high priority project with a tight deadline in which my mentor was leading. With my lack of domain knowledge and getting used to the processes, my performance quickly nose dived. I asked my peers for help. One team mate initially helped me through a video pair-programming style. We did this ~20-minute style help for 3 days until I got wind from my mentor that that was not okay at my level. My manager then pulled me off the project and the team mate who helped me took over. Everyone on my team found out that did not have the domain skills required for that project nor what they expected of me given my interview results. From that point on everything went downhill. My relationship with my mentor and my manager went south. My mentor became my quasi-boss and tasked me with bugs in which they along with my manger judged me in weekly 2:1s to document all failures, areas that need improvement, and zero praise for any wins. Fast forward a few months of documentation from my manager, I am now presented the pip. Looking at the pip and the skills I built here so far, it seems do-able with ~75% confidence. If I sign the pip can I get fired, during it, even if showing progress? Can I get fired even if I finish it and document my manager giving positive feedback? Severance option is 5 months base-salary no negotiations. If I fail the pip, very likely termination and no severance. Google is my dream company and I put in the effort although that does not always translate to results immediately. First cycle was CME. I want to fight for my job. Any tips/advice/comments welcomed, I have 3 days to decide š„ŗ. Yes, even hating trolls. Iām a leetcoder, I choose my name KEKW Edit: Thanks for all the responses. Iād like to say I am not trying to argue that I am performing at the expected level nor that I think the pip is unjust. I think I just want folks to talk to as I am processing everything (not just work). Money comes and goes but dream jobs may not. Iāll update Friday when I decide and if I fight, it will be an interesting few weeks and Iāll share the results either way š¤. #Google #SWE #L4 #pip #tech #perf #bayarea
Are you L4? What were their expectations from you?
From my experience, you need to be fully independent from start to end for every task. Asking questions is marked against me. My team hard emphasizes the SWE ladder šŖ
I dunno how practical is them expecting independence right from the beginning specially given they have their own custom tools for everything. Were you expected to lead some people also? Like couple of L3s?
If you can hack your way into Google, you can fight that PIP. Stay at Google
Absolutely, fight till the last minute
This is very demotivating but atleast you have money ;) try your best to not get fired .even if you do get fired you will be hired by any other company becuase of your exceptional leetcoding ability.all the best
Thanks~ š„ŗ
From what op says, this is not really op fault, it's more of managers fault. Team matching not done right. Project allocation and priorities not set right. Should atleast let op change teams to find a better fit, instead of pip
Thereās always two sides to every story. This is my POV. Was told by HR that transferring under a year is not possible š¢.
1 cme and pipped? What do you expect this perf cycle? I've read you need 2 NIs for pip.
I heard that google does pip and fire, now it's more clear. For all that who think google is safe boat , get prepared for it
3 such posts today itself. Rest and vest is gone, I think.
3 posts? Is it? Can you please share the link? Rest and vest is definitely not there in google. it is becoming next Amazon as many Amazon manager moved there recently.
cloud?
Very few company fire people even without letting them complete 1 year
Microsoft does this. One of my previous teammates was let go inside a year.
That's rarest of rare case afaik
I would ask if a different or level is an option given this looks like a badly matched role and level
Manager shot down down-leveling when I brought it up a 2 months in after the project debacle. Said Google does not do it and HR confirmed.
I had to double check that itās not Amazon
Seen few posts today where google fired employee. Google is new Amazon as their manager joined G
Looks like Microsoft is back on the menu boys
That's why leetcode = BS lol
I feel like LC med/easy is fine. Leetcode hards/dps and you're just biasing the data towards leetcode monkeys like OP
The problem with leetcode is that it's guaranteed to only be min-maxed by introverts who lc instead of doing their jobs. People who focus on building software, helping their teammates, and maintaining loyalty to one company are all screwed in this industry.