MSR vs Google Brain

Dec 15, 2018 19 Comments

Which one is better to join in 2018 as a researcher: Microsoft Research or Google Brain? What are some pros and cons?

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  • Facebook
    Instagrаm

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    Instagrаmmore
    There’s a mass exodus from MSR to G Brain and FB AML/FAIR
    Dec 15, 2018 2
    • Amazon Rjm
      OP
      Yes, I know for established researchers who went on to found their new groups. How about early career researchers?
      Dec 15, 2018
    • Facebook imMk51
      If you're in ML, you likely won't find more freedom than at FAIR, even if you're junior (though Brain is close).
      Dec 15, 2018
  • Apple Icml2017
    I will go for Google Brain. MSR was quite awesome but of late, lots of people have left and people from MSR have been accommodated to other product related orgs (at least in computer vision space, I know a few examples).
    Dec 15, 2018 3
    • Amazon Rjm
      OP
      Do you think MSR gives more independence and flexibility to the researchers (assuming it is not a product related org)?
      Dec 15, 2018
    • Microsoft Banksyo
      They have problem on leadership. They don’t know whether they should focus on research or do more product. I think msr’s time already passed
      Dec 15, 2018
    • Apple Icml2017
      I work in CV/ML area and am only familiar with that domain. Some CV folks have moved from MSR to Hololens team (under that org; there have been a few reorgs, so I don’t know what that org is called now). I think they are trying to align people from MSR to related product teams. But this outsider information and perhaps Microsoft folks can provide more detailed information on current state of MSR.
      Dec 15, 2018
  • Microsoft Doodle2
    If you’re an early stage researcher (<7 years out of PhD), MSR is the best. All the freedom in the world to work on anything you want. After 7 years, you may want to grow elsewhere or at MSR. But for early stage researchers MSR is still the best if you care about freedom. Disclosure: MSR researcher.
    Dec 15, 2018 0
  • Wow. Congrats! Did you get both offers? Willing to share TC and profile? Both are great but I like the sound of Google Brain :)
    Dec 15, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng
    teiw62

    Microsoft Eng

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    Why the views in the post is totally different from I have heard myself? My PhD friends from top CS programs said MSR is far best place if you want to do research
    Dec 15, 2018 2
    • Facebook
      Instagrаm

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      Instagrаmmore
      It used to be
      Dec 15, 2018
    • Apple
      Hello20

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      Hello20more
      A lot of people here are merely engineers without research background. MSR people do real research. People in google brain are more likely to be engineers.
      Dec 15, 2018
  • Northrop Grumman / Eng (Ω,A,μ)
    Think it depends, brain id you're into ML and MSR most other areas of CS
    Dec 15, 2018 1
    • McMaster-Carr @FANG
      This. MSR does aresearch in other areas such as randomized algorithms, distributed systems and crypto.
      Dec 15, 2018
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    • Microsoft shatner
      I dig your screen name
      Dec 20, 2018
  • Microsoft cnskksna
    Google Brain is no brainer.
    Dec 15, 2018 0
  • New Fllj57
    When I left MS for Google, it seemed like MSR was losing all of their top talent to Google. I’d take this as a pretty strong signal.
    Dec 15, 2018 0
  • Amazon iFhH35
    Objectively speaking both are very similar, however Google Brain is more fashionable/trendy nowadays, partially because it is newer. We've had MSR for 20+ years. (Disclaimer: I've worked at MSR in the past)
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