Employees Permanently Leaving Seattle

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UYwe53

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UYwe53
Sep 8, 2020 658 Comments

Significant chunk of my team members are permanently leaving Seattle and still collecting Seattle pay checks. My boss working from Hawaii and org VP embraced WFH saying 'at best' we will be a hybrid org. Other team members permanently moved to cheaper states. Over 90% of amazon employees want WFH in some form according to surveys. WFH is the future and it is here to stay. I ain't ever going back to the office and they can't make me. I bet in the future there will be a salary normalization cross USA and Canada and this will be a very good thing for all devs!

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  • Cisco
    splat3

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    splat3
    I hate wfh full time. 3 day office would be best. I still would get to see people in real life
    Sep 8, 2020 35
    • Splunk / Eng
      knew here

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       knew here
      this thread is so sad.. I wish there was an easier way for adults to make real friends outside of work because it seems like such a common complaint :<
      Sep 9, 2020
    • TSYS
      LeTownLake

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      LeTownLake
      Wfh is so much better. You can live wherever you want, you can visit your friends and family more often and spend more time with them no matter where they live, you can take out airbnb's by national parks and hike right after work or work from a beach resort, flight prices for long weekends don't matter anymore because you can fly back when you want to, no more getting stuck in traffic every day, we save money on gas, you'll save by putting lesser miles on your car and insurance prices could possibly reduce because of this, the possibilities are endless! I agree with the others, get out there and get involved in social events because that's how you meet people. If there's one good thing to come out of this pandemic, its the rise of remote jobs!
      Nov 23, 2020
  • I like WFH but only because I hate commuting. I do kind of miss interactions with people. But I hate hate hate commuting.
    Sep 8, 2020 9
  • Oracle
    ancdefgd

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    ancdefgd
    Eventually it will be a hybrid.

    My org was hybrid before COVID (2-4 days in office), and I can definitely say that it works better than full remote.

    Couple of things will happen to support full remote:
    1. Those who choose fully remote should expect a TC drop to adjust to low COL.
    2. People are social beings, so it remains to see how water cooler conversations/ promotions will happen in distributed organizations.
    Sep 8, 2020 21
    • Shocking how few otherwise intelligent people understand free market economics.

      Salaries in the bay area aren't high directly because of COL. They are high because of supply and demand. There is NO supply of quality devs living in that area willing to work for 100k, because that won't pay the rent required to be in an office. The price goes up until there is a meeting of the minds. Take that dev's housing requirement out of HIS equation and he'll likely choose to be more competitive with what he seeks.
      Sep 11, 2020
    • @mrducks exactly, anyone who doesn't understand why companies will adjust high tech salaries to reflect a distributed work force doesn't understand basic economics.

      Not being snarky here, but I think it would help people to get a better understanding of how free markets work, specifically the labor market.
      Sep 13, 2020
  • Do you think people live in high cost areas only because of their jobs?

    Bay area excluded, there is lots to love in those high cost cities.
    From food options, entertainment options to nature in the PNW.
    People won't leave it for ducking Tennessee.
    Politics matters too. Most techies are secular you think they will go to a little town in Oklahoma with a Sunday church, you are naive.
    Sep 8, 2020 17
  • I work for MS, I used to work in Redmond. I *hated* the PNW, I wouldn’t ever move back there. I said “either let me move or you’ll lose me”, and they did. That was several years ago.

    This will become the new normal and will help Microsoft dramatically. Counter to most Seattleites’ opinions, most people in the US don’t want to actually live in the PNW. It’s so bad for HR recruiters that there’s actually a playbook they created to try to talk people in to moving up there.

    If MS allows for remote work it’ll absolutely help them get employees that they’d never otherwise have a shot at.
    Sep 8, 2020 14
    • T-Mobile / IT
      FancyDance

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       FancyDance
      PNW is full of gloomy weather and gloomy people. Having lived in many places around the country, almost everything feels like a downgrade except the beautiful nature and trails. Been here for years and the solid gray sky that feels like the clouds/fog are not much higher than your roof totally messed with most human beings psychologically.

      It is hilarious to see people in Seattle and on the East side making eye contact with other human beings, smiling, saying hello to strangers, etc when the sun comes out on July 15th for 5 or 6 weeks. Then people go back to being gloomy - so depressing.

      That feeling you Seattlites get when the sun is out and your skin feels good as it soaks in the rays - making you smile and feel energized and happy? That is how people feel in most other states the majority of the year. It is not about temperature, it is about sun light. The Midwest can be -15 out and bright and sunny. PNW destroys most humans.
      Sep 9, 2020
    • Recruiters at companies pretty much everywhere have playbooks to convince candidates to move there.
      Sep 9, 2020