Reduced scope and comp to join Microsoft

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endnkcj

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endnkcj
Feb 21 25 Comments

Currently an L7 sdm at Amazon. Offered an L66 at Microsoft which will be a pay decrease by about 50K year 1 and 75K year 2 to 4.

Scope will go from managing an org of 30 to an individual team.

Current location is Seattle so no need to relocate.

I’m thinking of taking this offer because I want better WLB and see a brighter long term future at Microsoft compared to Amazon.

Anyone done this before and has regrets?

TC: 550
YOE: 15

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  • Lyft
    brancusi

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    brancusi
    On same boat. Current tc 450 thinking going to a start up to do more interesting work. Worry if you go then getting back to where you were can be harder.

    But for your case it’s weird why do they down level u?
    Feb 21 2
    • Amazon
      endnkcj

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      endnkcj
      OP
      That’s the only role this team has. I could keep looking but like the team.
      Feb 21
    • Amazon
      endnkcj

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      endnkcj
      OP
      I’m also thinking hard if I really want to continue to climb the corporate ladder, the types of stress as you go up the chain change and I’m not really liking it (or maybe it’s Amazon specific).
      Feb 21
  • New
    xMicrosoft

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    xMicrosoft
    Define “long term”? If you stay more than 4 years, you’ll be out a lot more than $50K. The 4 year cliff is real and steep.
    Feb 21 2
    • Amazon
      endnkcj

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      endnkcj
      OP
      That’s fair, I’m thinking within 4 years I should either get a promotion or I’ll find something else.
      Feb 21
    • New
      xMicrosoft

      New

      xMicrosoft
      Maybe at your level promotion means something, but at my level, promotions don’t cover inflation.
      Feb 21
  • New / Creative
    PeteBiddle

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     PeteBiddle
    L66 is the new level 64 at Microsoft. Everyone is L66 now and is standard middle role.
    Feb 21 3
    • New / Creative
      PeteBiddle

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       PeteBiddle
      L67 is the new L65 and Principal designation
      Feb 21
    • New / Creative
      PeteBiddle

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       PeteBiddle
      L80 is the new "Partner"
      Feb 21
  • Datadog
    babadrame

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    babadrame
    Downgrading scope can lead to a lot of frustration that’s hard to account for and will also have an impact on WLB as resentment builds up.
    Why not push for the director equivalent? Or wait a year or so for the right role to open up
    Feb 21 1
    • Amazon
      endnkcj

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      endnkcj
      OP
      Looking to leave Amazon asap to get a change. Been here 8 years and want a change badly.

      Current Microsoft team doesn’t have scope for director.
      Feb 21
  • Apple
    tsyzhto

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    tsyzhto
    If you get much much better WLB, tradeoff seems worth it. 50k is not much.

    But how much TC difference will you have after Cliff at both places? Will it still be worth it?
    Feb 21 1