I have come across many Amazon PIP stories on Blind and to be honest. It’s quite scary.. can someone explain if this is normal?
Was there others who had the same concern but ended up joining Amazon and it was completely fine?
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To an extent, I think the effort you need to put in to avoid PIP is different in each team. To me, it kind of felt like “meets expectations” in one team can be “needs improvement” aka PIP on another team. Some teams have the budget/culture so you actually have to try to get PIP’d. Some teams are the exact opposite. I’ve heard of people getting PIP’d because of a product not generating enough revenue despite the engineers performing relatively well.
I also think it has to do with how lucky you are with your manager/leadership. The politics game is going to be real at any relatively large company. If you’re lucky, not playing the politics game will only affect your promos. If unlucky, it will get you PIP’d. Just feel like it’s easier to get PIP’d at Amazon than at other big tech companies but maybe I’m biased.
@lumpias are you US or EU based?
You are lucky to not fall in the URA quota but that definitely does not mean those who got piped were being slackers or anything.
It all comes down to stack ranking and your manager.
I eventually survived the PIP, changed teams and was promoted 1y after. Bottom line, I think a lot of what was written in the "evidence" was fabricated/amplified. Fortunately, i had 3-4 people in my favor that ultimately saved my job.
When I became a manager, then I saw that this mechanism happens in all orgs and they are all the same. I guess some people never notice the process because they're not in the bottom 10-20%. I feel bad for people who have underlying issues (like new parents, going through cancer, lost a parent)... Amazon says they care about them, but in practice there is no excuse, nor mercy.
I stayed at Amazon for so long because I'm learning and I am well compensated, but I feel I'm dodging snake bites every semester.
I was at Amazon for 5 years. Trust me, PIP has nothing to do with lack of skill. It’s all about if you can play the game. It’s the most Darwinian shit I have seen.
See how each of them contradict at least one other one (eg. dive deep vs bias for action. If you focus on one you lose the other. Managers know that and work that against you)