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OjgX35

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OjgX35
Aug 31, 2021 25 Comments

Oracle - Software Development Engineer (IC2)
Base - 133k
RSUs - 66k/year (264k total - 3000 RSUs split over 4 years. Current stock price-88)
Joining bonus - 15k/yr (30k split over 2 years)
Relocation assistance is given.
Total for the first year - 215k
Location - Seattle

Google - Software Engineer - SRE (L-3)
Base - 133k/yr
Equity - 40k/yr (124k total - 33%,33%,22%,12% over 4 years) - vests every month.
Aitcipated yearly perfomance bous - 20k/yr (from 15% yearly)
No joining bonus.
Relocation assistance is given.
Total for the first year - 174k
Location - Seattle

Years of Experience - 2.5

The recruiter also made me share my Oracle’s offer and she talks like she matched the Oracle offer apparently because Google equity is vested monthly, and she is also adding the yearly bonus to the total.

How do I negotiate more with Google?

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  • Google
    gg wp

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    gg wp
    Your G TC is 133k+41k+20k i.e. 194k.
    The only way you don't get the target 15% bonus is if you get an NI rating. Median rating is EE (given to ~30% folks) which is ~18% bonus.

    G L3 refreshers are ~50k for CME based on a formula. While Oracle refreshers are based on how much you can ass-lick your manager.

    G has a transparent annual raise, while Oracle salary raises are a Game of thrones. My friend got none for 3 years.

    Besides this, if you are going to OCI, OCI oncall is much worse than G oncall. G gets paid for Tier 1 oncall beyond office hours, at OCI you get dinged if you complain about 24x7 oncall.
    Aug 31, 2021 2
    • IBM / Other
      OjgX35

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      OjgX35
      OP
      I will be going to the OCI team.
      Thanks for the input :) What is CME based on a formula.??
      Aug 31, 2021
    • Google
      gg wp

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      gg wp
      CME is a rating. There are 5 ratings -
      NI: Needs improvement
      CME: Consistently meets
      EE: Exceeds
      SEE: Significantly exceeds
      S: Superb

      Based on a formula, you get the annual bonus and Refreshers.
      Aug 31, 2021
  • Roadie
    UwAW58

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    UwAW58
    “I’m really excited about the team + role at google, but Oracle’s comp is far better and I’m trying not to leave money in the table. Based on Google’s frontloaded vesting schedule, I’d expect Google to at least match oracles over the first two years. Is there any way we could increase the equity grant or add a signing bonus to make Google’s offer more competitive?”

    Basically what I said to my G recruiter, it works and it’s 100% honest. Report back with results!
    Aug 31, 2021 5
    • Roadie
      UwAW58

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      UwAW58
      It’s nearly 200k first year for L3 which is honesty solid offer for L3 outside of Bay Area. L4 is possible with that YOE but for L3 that’s a good offer. Refreshers will honestly make the comp better than oracle in a few years.

      You could go for L4 at other companies for more TC or stick with Google at L3, both are really solid options. Congrats!
      Aug 31, 2021
    • IBM / Other
      OjgX35

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      OjgX35
      OP
      Thank you very much. I think I am going to move forward with Google. :)
      Aug 31, 2021
  • Oracle
    mWEe82

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    mWEe82
    At this moment, it's getting harder and harder to work at OCI. Google still has way better culture than OCI and their business growth is also better than oracle. In wlb perspective, Google is also better. I heard many orgs don't have on-call which is becoming main pain point of OCI. Also, once you get google in your resume, other companies would prefer you than other candidates
    Aug 31, 2021 1
    • Oracle
      dnwm3&&&

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      dnwm3&&&
      Still has better culture? With the way OCI is going, it’s not even close lol; Google will always have better culture than Oracle.
      Sep 1, 2021
  • Amazon
    🖕Amaz0n

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    🖕Amaz0n
    I think Google will be better for your long term growth.
    Aug 31, 2021 0
  • Oracle
    straggle

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    straggle
    I would take google because you will definitely get refreshers and bonus that will offset the TC difference. At oracle, you get very minimal refresher and bonus if any. You will be disappointed. Not to mention the Weight that google adds to your resume is more. If you don’t like it at google you can move to oracle later, its hard to crack google second time and you wouldn’t sweat to make it into Oracle later
    Aug 31, 2021 5
    • Oracle
      vnjfx

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      vnjfx
      The choice is easy - Google . Best brand you can ask for, excellent benefits, regular refreshers and hikes. In Oracle even 2% hike is not guaranteed and no refreshers for even top 30%.

      Google any day…
      Sep 1, 2021
    • Oracle
      straggle

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      straggle
      Also, 9.5k$ in 401k at Google. At Oracle its 50% upto 6% of your salary
      Sep 1, 2021