referring to level.fyi for negotiation

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May 29, 2020 5 Comments

can one show numbers in levels.fyi for that company/sector to a recruiter if one feels he/she is being low balled ?

has anyone done it ?

i don’t have any offer and I am not interviewing also.

just curios to know whether levels.fyi can be used for negotiation

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  • Nauto / Eng
    turdchungu

    Nauto Eng

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    Nauto
    turdchungu
    No it cannot. So what if the company doesn't pay you avg. Where would you go? When you leverage other offers, companies work harder to convince you to take their offer. If you have no offers, and just a skewed avg of salaries as a figure to report, what good would it possibly do you? Companies are trying to save money and lowballing is exactly what many will do. If you have no offers and no job and no leverage, you are at the company's mercy. And you think recruiters are gonna give a damn what you think? They have other candidates that might take a low balled offer. If you have no offers and nothing to leverage, the company will know they can low ball you harder in fact because you have no choice. Basic economics of free market capitalism of supply and demand. More offers decreases supply and causes companies to compete with each other for hire. If a company has no real entity to compete with over you, your value drops. Does the levels.fyi tell how good those candidates were or how valuable they were at the time of offer? No and no. It tells what salary and YOE which both are zilch if no other company wants you. So what if you say that FB is paying more or Apple is paying more, do you have an offer for either of those? If not oh well, quite literally.
    May 29, 2020 2
    • Apple
      oHYn04

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      OP
      Wow, thanks for the detailed response, totally makes sense.
      May 29, 2020
    • Nauto / Eng
      turdchungu

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      Nauto
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      I'm just a realist. It doesn't matter what I think, it's the reality of offers. If they low-ball you and you are as good as you think, go to another company and get an offer there. Create demand and decrease supply. That's how you can beat a low-ball offer.
      May 29, 2020
  • New
    turnkeye

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    turnkeye
    My friend did it, he told the recruiter that his offer was on the low end and the recruiter asked him how he knew. He told them about levels.fyi and negotiated $40K more
    May 29, 2020 1
    • Nauto / Eng
      turdchungu

      Nauto Eng

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      Nauto
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      I gotta call BS on that. He must have had something else like another offer to be able to get the recruiter to change their mind. Simply offering more must mean they want you more, but if you have no other competing offers asking usually fails because why should they offer more - you could just not take it and go somewhere else if it's really that bad.

      PS. The term negotiate doesn't even apply to this statement. He just by definition asked for more and hoped he would get it. That's a pretty risky move that also ALMOST never works. That's gambling on the heart of the recruiter and how much you value yourself.
      To quote: Please sir. I'd like some more. - Charles Dickens
      May 29, 2020