worth reneging another company for Microsoft?
A bit of context: I'm a CS senior at a top engineering school and spent the last summer interning at a large financial company (not a bank), let's call it Company X. I had a good internship experience there and received a return offer in August. Coming from a low-income background, I was quite happy with the offer at the time, and given the tight deadline decided to take it before going through more interviews. However, after talking with friends who had much higher offers, I couldn't help but feel that I was selling myself short. After struggling with those thoughts for some time, I started doing more interviews to test the waters and ended up going through new grad on-site for Microsoft this week, receiving an offer under the Experience + Devices org in Redmond. Now that I have the offer in hand though, I'm again conflicted. The main reasons I'm hesitant to renege X (other than obvious ethical ramifications) are: 1. It's closer to home (1-hour flight vs 6 hours) and in a more urban setting that I'm already familiar with; 2. The office has a startup vibe, and I'll likely be working with other recent college grads; 3. My intern project was data analytics heavy which I liked and the work seems a bit more interesting than what I'll be doing at Microsoft. On the other hand, the TC difference is hard to look past, especially after the first year. The following are also in Microsoft's favor: 1. Much wider range of internal opportunities (but need interviews to switch teams I heard) and chance to work with more experienced engineers which could be good for growth; 2. Location-wise, I haven't been to Seattle much but the tech scene could help with networking and career down the road; 3. I personally really enjoyed both the Redmond campus and the interviewers I talked to. Current TC: 0 (broke college student) Offer for Company X: base: 100,000 sign-on & relocation: 42,000 Offer for Microsoft: base: 110,000 stock (3.5 yrs): 120,000 sign-on & relocation: 30,000 Both have a target annual bonus of 10%. COL are comparable in both places. Appreciate any thoughts! #microsoft
If you don't ask you don't get. Why not give reneg a go?
Take M.
I renenged on Uber for G and I dont regret it. In my opinion you should never renenge on Google,Fb, Amazon,MA because these companies are going to be there the next 20 years and they always hire and you never know when you need a new job.
100% go with msft in that org.
I love working at Microsoft. E & D offers a wide variety of interesting technical challenges, especially around scaling. I hope to see you at the office soon!
Being able to work on interesting problems is definitely near the top of my priorities for first job so that's great to hear!
You could also go back to the internship company to see if they’ll match or beat your MS offer. If they say no, you can leave for MS and feel honest about it. If they come back with a good counter, it means they liked you, want to keep you, and you get the freedom to decide which company/city/team you prefer
That Microsoft offer isn’t good for Seattle FYI. My msft offer was in a much lower CoL area and had the same numbers (-10k base).
If you go with M: Internal transfers are just as hard as external interviews. You might think you can use the resume clout to go elsewhere... that’s a crap shoot and your school will likely be the thing that stands out. Just because the engineers are experienced doesn’t necessarily mean they are wise, good mentors, or have updated industry knowledge. Your manager may be a good mentor, they may also be a political ass clown who will sell you out to climb the ladder You’ll be labeled as “only knows Microsoft stack” making it harder to learn new ecosystems and move around If you go startup: Internal transfers are way easier IME Not as much resume badges but the skills you learn wearing many hats would be useful You get to work in many areas of business and meet people who are passionate about what they do If you want to move up, you’re limited by your own ambition and not some corporate policy set by HR which is not run by engineers Tldr id ask the startup to at least get 120k base which isn’t that bad starting out. M is cool and all but me and many of my friends got bored and left for startups
The conversations here are dominated by youngsters who dont know better. MSFT isnt a great place to start a career. Its best work external and land there at level 65+ in your early 30s
Fuck ethics, the company doesn't give a shit about you so don't give a shit about it.