Google L4 offer

Apple
ggQl86

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ggQl86
Aug 14, 2020 266 Comments

Thank you very much everyone for sharing thoughts.
Appreciate it very much.

- UPDATE -
Position: SWE
Location: SF Bay Area
YOE: 7~9 years (doesn't include PhD)
Education: EECS PhD from Top 10 US

I am not sure I can get competing offers on time.
Now, what should be my counter offer?
How much can HC extend the compensation package without competing offers?
I think YOE + education decides what level you are interviewing.
But once level is decided, will this also affect compensation package?

- ORIG POST -
Can you help to evaluate this offer?

Base: around $160K
Bonus: around $25K
Equity: around $280K for 4 years
TC: around $260K

YOE: 7~9 years
Education: PhD

Please understand that I put rough numbers.
Thank you very much for the feedback in advance!

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TOP 266 Comments
  • What is your current level and TC at Apple? I am a staff at LinkedIn with 520k TC and I got an l4 offer from G which was about 300k. I said no thanks. They gave me only 1 systems design interview and since it was not a double thumbs up I got only l4. Google is saving money by down leveling these days. Not worth it
    Aug 14, 2020 24
    • Can’t believe I read this whole thread 🍿
      Nov 13, 2020
    • Amazon
      Grjr16

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      Grjr16
      It was funny looking at some one from google talking down microsoft because of “failed” products and ventures. When everything is getting failed and shutting down in google for last 3-4 years. Probably stadia would be the next. 😂.
      Dec 1, 2020
  • Apple
    k9876

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    k9876
    With 7yoe plus PhD, you should aim for L5.
    Offer numbers sound average for L4.
    Aug 14, 2020 16
    • Apple
      ggQl86

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      ggQl86
      OP
      I had L5 interview, but HC decided to level as L4. I think system design interview is especially important.
      Aug 15, 2020
    • Google
      ShakeBake

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      ShakeBake
      Though it may depend on PA, PHD+5 in general is many L4, many L5, and almost no L6. L6 is an exemption only for extremely strong interviews, resume (think famous people in a hot field that adds value to google), and likely regretted attrition boomerangs.

      PHD+7 skews that a bit rightward, with few L4, most L5 and few L6. You’d still need some in demand specialty to get L6.

      In my neck of the woods (HWPA) I haven’t seen level inflation since 4 years ago (still see plenty of good candidates get downleveled ) but maybe it exists in other PAs.
      Aug 15, 2020
  • Google
    jiCH17

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    jiCH17
    Sounds about right (median) for L4. For more, you either need to level up or get much better competing offers.
    Aug 14, 2020 11
  • I mean L4 making 260K isn’t so bad. It’s not amazing but not too terrible. Bigger problem is, why are you L4 with that much experience?
    Aug 14, 2020 0
  • Esri / Eng
    TzDY41

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    TzDY41
    Isn’t l4 a little low for 7-9 years with a Ph.D?
    Aug 14, 2020 5