LayoffsFeb 23
AmazonAmurano

Amazon PIP

Hello All, I have been put on coaching/focus by my manager and I see a PIP incoming soon Just wanted to ask about my possible options here I have heard FMLA is an option. If anyone has experience with this process or knows about applying for FMLA I’d really appreciate your insights. Thanks in advance for any advice or guidance you can offer! Thanks in advance for any advice or guidance you can offer #tech #pip #swe #sde #layoff

ByteDance exMeta/IC6 Feb 23

Search Blind first please - there are tons of detailed posts from Amazonions on this

Amazon MrLaidOff Feb 23

1. Don’t talk to your manager or colleagues. 2. Find a doc or therapist to support your FMLA 3. Apply directly for FMLA/STD LOA via MyHR or DLS, depending on what the doc will support. 4. Update your resume and start applying for jobs like a maniac

Amazon Sauropod Feb 23

What does FMLA actually get you? What is the benefit of doing FMLA in that situations?

Amazon MrLaidOff Feb 23

Please learn to use google or chatGPT.

Amazon Sauropod Feb 23

I have seen the question asked on how does FMLA work while on Focus/PIP dozens of times. I have yet to see any detailed answer.

Apple f@milygif Feb 23

Sorry to hear this. From what I've heard in network this generally means you're going to be put on pip.

Lowe’s smd2001 Feb 23

Fmla only pays in certain states

Amazon badbitc Feb 23

My Doc wouldn’t sign off on it for me pretty rare. Definitely trying to get the Doc sign off on it regardless you can use I think 21 days or something like that of FMLA without approval, so definitely do that.

Amazon Amurano OP Feb 23

Yeah that’s what I’ve been trying to do Finding a doc to help support my case

Amazon badbitc Feb 23

Doc kept trying to push anti depressants and other shit, was such a joke

Amazon riordanb Feb 23

That’s a bummer. If Amazon managed the process honestly, it could be a great opportunity to improve. However, Amazon does not manage the process honestly. If I knew then what I know now, I’d set up a 1:1 with my manager and say “Based on my research, I believe that focus will lead to PIP regardless of how well I do over the next x weeks. Do you agree?” And, see how she/he responds. I’d also set up a similar meeting with your HR person. Document every single thing. Don’t be shy about FMLA. If doing it benefits you, do it. Amazon has proven that are not honest and fair with this Focus/PIP process.

Amazon Amurano OP Feb 23

Thanks for your response This was insightful and helpful

Amazon Sauropod Feb 25

Manager and HR will just give the textbook answer

MRM TWG_202023 Feb 23

Sorry to hear this, OP. Here’s some advice that’s commonly shared around on Blind: Use Amzn PIP escape method -----Shared on Amazon forum please copy and distribute------- (Internal Mantra to keep on loop when dealing with your Amazon / AWS manager is "the lying liar lieth and still they lie their lies" which can help frame and guard your level of communication.) You need to forget about all work for Amazon except giving the appearance of doing bare minimum - start coasting that skit banana funded work right now!! Concentrate fully on interview prep and lining up external interviews with employers or if you are on visa then only visa sponsoring employers. Lets assume that you are in USA and have one year of penitude / servitude completed with Amazon / AWS so then you are eligible for paid FMLA leave..... this is a well trodden path (its Amazon so there are plenty of medics who will sign off around the WA HQ) so you will have no problems. You do NOT WAIT for PIP but you start now whilst in Focus and your approach should be: 1) Dev List / Focus / Coaching which is the stealth tracking period where your manager does not need to even inform you that they are working against you and coercing your colleagues and others for anything negative (only the negative) against you and measuring you up for a PIP to the head.... you are also blocked from internal transfer without unobtainable VP override. 2) During the above get your medic to listen to your droning about the (external) stress and mental anguish that you are feeling and so unable to focus and meet your tough Amazon / AWS goals ... also ask if they can sign off or refer you to a therapist who can do so urgently as the stress is ubearable (use the phrase unbearable stress and anguish and specifically also say that you need some weeks away from it under FMLA)... FMLA evidence flag is set... FMLA important caveat / proTip: when laying a paper trail of stress and anguish you must make sure you DO NOT say that it is *due to work.* Instead it must be framed as mental health struggles that have flared recently and are preventing you from focusing on your work. Both your psych AND the leave administration company will deny FMLA if you tell them it is *because of* work. (Tip from soCri$p) 3) Amazon manager presents you with Pivot document and you have 5 days to choose Tier 1 severance or take PIP plan.... BANG this is where you submit FMLA into the DLS portal before the 5 days decision period is expired (DLS team need a day or so to respond to you so get this rolling at the start of the Amazon Pivot decision window) and then go on leave. Your backstabbing Amazon / AWS manager and HR cannot intervene if you do this as it is a separate team and *federal* mandated leave. The whole decison window for Pivot / PIP is now mandatorily paused beyond their control.... if it was within their control then they would of course be trying to sink you at every opportunity - its Amazon! 4) Get FMLA paperwork completed by the medic who you have already lined up and prepped earlier and submit that supporting material into the DLS team. 5) Tear through your interview preparation and job hunting networking to hiring companies and dont even consider one hour of work for Amazon... extend FMLA through renewal with the medic up to 12 weeks and throw in caring for family member as that is FMLA allowable too if your family are stressed that you are stressed.... so now you have taken 16 weeks of paid FMLA leave on Amazon's frugal dime. (FMLA is partly paid if u also file for Short term disability) 6) Burn through any paid PTO and sick days before returning to work too as only unused vacation time will be cashed out upon exit. 7) Accept the job offer from a better employer (there are so many compared to Amazon / AWS that if you throw a rock then you will hit upon one), which you undoubtedly will already have received by this time. 8) If you are on a visa then get the visa transfer process rolling under premium processing by the new employer. 9) Return to Amazon / AWS and take the maximum Tier 1 severance option instead of PIP, since every step after not taking that decision reduces the exit payout from frugal Amazon severely. 10) Cash the Tier 1 severance from Amazon and the sign on bonus from your new visa sponsoring employer and roll around on the floor surrounded by hundred dollar bills. 11) Return to Blind and tell the community all about it..... not forgetting to add your new TC tax to the post!!! Bonus level... 12) Rock it like a superstar and position yourself onto hiring panels in your new employer and never ever let an ex-Amazon/AWS manager get through..... your new colleagues will thank you. :-D Fifty percent of new hires gone within a year and average tenure only eighteen months.... hence the RSU vest after two years and tiny low 401K match from third year. Most folks will not see a big chunk of that TC (Frugality Leadership Principle). Rule 1 = Avoid Amazon / AWS Rule 2 = Avoid any companies which hire ex Amazon / AWS managers Rule 3 = Follow Rule 1 and In your next company join the hiring panels to keep Rule 2 enforced It is the way...... and in dealing with Amazon it is a very common well travelled way... happy trails. Best of luck, OP! TC: 105K

Amazon €£xxxxxñ Feb 23

There are a million posts covering this Q on blind. Do your homework!

Amazon citizen5 Feb 23

This is a good post on this : Check out this post! "How to find a therapist for FMLA at Amazon when you get a Pivot Entry. (Health & Wellness)" https://www.teamblind.com/us/s/uGukjwsj