Facebook scandal: Do you really care about your private data?

Kaspersky Lab Rtyuip
Mar 20, 2018 120 Comments

We've been discussing privacy topic for years. There are tons of things could be done to prevent this situation . Starting with not clicking on idiotic Facebook tests.
We did hundreds of researches of would people actually be interested in having privacy protection solutions, and the answer was no all of those times.
For now I don't believe people are ready to trade comfort for privacy, as any security and privacy improvement would decrease comfort of information access. E.g. you kill cookies, you have to enter your credentials everywhere.

What do you think?

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  • I've accepted that privacy is dead. I do turn on my vpn and go incognito when I'm jacking it just to make "them" earn it though.
    Mar 20, 2018 6
    • Kaspersky Lab Rtyuip
      OP
      I had an idea of creating an app that would imitate fake personality in order to mess up data sets collected outside.
      User would be able to choose imitation patterns across the board, eg you pick up to be an New Zealand farmer, so every piece of data you device give out there would imitate it like you're living in New Zealand, google a lot about agriculture, watch specific type of porn and etc...
      Mar 20, 2018
    • Kaspersky Lab Rtyuip
      OP
      I'd be much more than VPN.
      BTW, if you pretend to be from UK via your VPN your Netflix would have much more brand new TV series...
      Mar 20, 2018
    • Amazon aAEp16
      This basically sums it up for me. I used to be hyper-sensitive to privacy online. I've accepted that privacy online is a false illusion.
      Mar 20, 2018
    • Kaspersky Lab Rtyuip
      OP
      Amazon: yeah, I'm saying that everyone could be hacked, you can only make it not worth it for intruder, because of the cost
      Mar 21, 2018
    • Microsoft yDIs65
      LOL
      Mar 21, 2018
  • Google crossed
    I don't care if that data is used in a straight forward way - showing me ads about stuff. It's the CA kind of shit and psychological experiments that FB did (still does ?) - with that information that concerns me.

    Specifically, for FB - I don't use it much anymore and considering deleting it completely. It made me unhappy, and I've found out that staying away from it keeps me focussed on stuff & people I actually care about.
    Mar 20, 2018 10
    • Oath / Eng
      Upside

      Oath Eng

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      Yahoo
      Upsidemore
      How they know who we are??
      Mar 20, 2018
    • Kaspersky Lab Rtyuip
      OP
      I believe they require you to use work email to register here, and it's relatively easy to find an email owner on LinkedIn, as usual corporate email looks like name.lastname@corporation.com

      There is also a service named connectifier, that collects all information across the internet about people; and a company called zoominfo that constantly research corporations and sell corporate directories.
      Mar 20, 2018
    • Google / Eng
      lena33

      Google Eng

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      Salesforce
      lena33more
      Privacy is a myth nowadays, that's right. My concern with FB not the usage of my data but showing spam to me. I never click on anything
      Mar 20, 2018
    • Kaspersky Lab Rtyuip
      OP
      That's basically a TV, fb is replacing media. And when you're watching TV you can't even skip all the spam :)
      Mar 20, 2018
    • Amazon UXR
      Reminds me of blind — makes me unhappy and not focused on the things I really care about. Yet... here I am.
      Mar 20, 2018
  • EA Qkdnx
    It’s kinda funny that a person from Kaspersky is asking this question...
    Mar 20, 2018 4
    • Deloitte PVaQ48
      Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
      Mar 20, 2018
    • Kaspersky Lab Rtyuip
      OP
      What is so funny? All our company was accused of is being Russian and doing a good job in investigating state sponsored malware including NCA and FSB produced
      Mar 20, 2018
    • TuneIn dhysk
      xenophobia is hard to escape
      Mar 20, 2018
    • Veritas / Other verb
      Lolz <3
      Mar 21, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng
    Hooliganss

    Amazon Eng

    BIO
    AWS
    Hooliganssmore
    I read a bit about this, and I’m confused why people call this a breach. Isn’t this just Facebook’s third party oauth dev interface? In other words, users actually have to sign away the account voluntarily to X company, for that company to get access to certain permissions? This is no different than when you sign in to a third party website using your Facebook account, but that third party website betrayed the uses’ trust, right?
    If I understand this correctly, why is this Facebook’s fault, and not the user’s failure to be responsible with who they give access to their account to?
    Mar 20, 2018 2
    • Kaspersky Lab Rtyuip
      OP
      Absolutely. Every time when you're giving a permission to any third party there is disclaimer from Facebook, and you can even choose what information you share.
      I think it's a witch hunt.
      Mar 20, 2018
    • Google leerypeej
      It wasn't your fault, VIGY36. 😢
      Mar 21, 2018
  • This comment was deleted by original commenter.

    • Amazon / Other Lowdown
      @Taserfuck we owe you nothing, spoiled dick munch. LEAVE!
      Mar 21, 2018
    • Square / Eng SQ
      Aren't you the entitled one though in this instance? You're getting much more money and higher standard of living on our dime.

      Irony?
      Mar 21, 2018
    • Square / Eng SQ
      Lol for as much as you're bashing the US you really want that green card. No one's forcing you to stay here if China is so much better and smarter.
      Mar 21, 2018
    • Apple InfLooper
      Be careful what you wish for. US government will tax the hell out of you once a green card holder! 😆
      Mar 25, 2018
    • Amazon Stock@amzn
      I don't think this Taserfuck guy is a Chinese.
      Mar 25, 2018
  • Amazon l6 sdm
    Just don't use Facebook. Facebook, or at least Zuckerberg, fundamentally does not believe in privacy. Zuckerberg believes in a world of full transparency and thinks no one should have anything to hide.

    That is not my view, I believe privacy is a fundamental right, so I don't use Facebook.
    Mar 20, 2018 10
    • Kaspersky Lab Rtyuip
      OP
      Grillzzz, that's what I'm talking about :)
      Mar 21, 2018
    • Amazon C Martel
      Zuck believes in full transparency except for himself.
      Mar 21, 2018
    • Amazon l6 sdm
      Negan: automated invasion of privacy scales well enough that it doesn't matter whether you are important. DHS has publicly acknowledged that they add automatically archived copies of social media pages to your file. This appears to be an automated system, no human is looking into it, the data just goes into your file and is archived for their future use, eg, at your adjustment of status interview, or next time you cross the border.

      You might want to rethink your belief that ordinary people aren't important enough, I think they are collecting data on everyone.
      Mar 21, 2018
    • Microsoft / Other
      Negan

      Microsoft Other

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      Blackbaud
      BIO
      I like bats
      Neganmore
      They can collect. It doesn’t change the fact that you aren’t important enough
      Mar 21, 2018
    • Amazon l6 sdm
      Tell that to the border guard next time they start quizzing you on you Facebook content. Unless you've been living under a rock you would know this content is being used to deny entry to the US to lots of unimportant people.
      Mar 21, 2018
  • Adobe rgm
    Nope. My social’s probably all over the web along with most of the passwords I use. If someone wants into my boring life that much, they can see it. Also, the benefits of sharing my browser and general info far outweighs the cost in most cases. If I’m looking for privacy, I will clear cookies and IP mask, but that’s only when I think there’s pricing/offer games at play and I’m losing.
    Mar 20, 2018 0
  • VMware NAxl82
    I have deleted FB on my phone and visit it occasionally on the computer. I realized that I haven’t missed much and I have time to read real books and think. It was a waste of time. And I am not bombarded with ads all the time. I am also wary of privacy breach so I have deleted most of my data and pictures. And really life is better without it.
    Mar 20, 2018 2
    • eBay / Other FiredAgain
      Did the same thing. Best decision ever
      Mar 20, 2018
    • Amazon PacificNor
      Same here
      Mar 20, 2018
  • Microsoft MethodOne
    They are predatory
    Mar 20, 2018 0
  • eBay esnap
    Guys, this whole thing has nothing to do with fb, or russian, or privacy. It's just another narrative that democraps put out in order to delegitimize Trump
    Mar 20, 2018 8
    • Kaspersky Lab Rtyuip
      OP
      @kng: Oh come on, it's like accusing MS in Vault 7. Hackers are always one step ahead of any corporation.
      Mar 21, 2018
    • Microsoft
      JoanHarris

      Microsoft

      BIO
      Goddess of sexual pleasure and other pleasant things. I have left Microsoft and am working at Amazon but, of course, my opinions are my own.
      JoanHarrismore
      Trump needs no help to be delegitimized - he does it pretty much every time he opens his mouth.

      My interest in this is seeing some of those self-righteous FB bros being called out for their crap engineering. They believe they are so elite and yet...they still suck.
      Mar 21, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

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      AWS
      Hooliganssmore
      @joan what engineering was crap? I think you know more than I do.
      Mar 21, 2018
    • Microsoft
      JoanHarris

      Microsoft

      BIO
      Goddess of sexual pleasure and other pleasant things. I have left Microsoft and am working at Amazon but, of course, my opinions are my own.
      JoanHarrismore
      They leaked data to third-party applications that was contrary to their privacy agreement and with user privacy settings. Sounds like bad design and/or implementation to me.
      Mar 21, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

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      AWS
      Hooliganssmore
      How did they leak. Didn’t the user grant a series of permissions to the application? Isn’t that how Facebook’s third party dev interface works?
      Mar 21, 2018
  • Twitter / Product moj
    Of course I Care
    Mar 20, 2018 7
    • Kaspersky Lab Rtyuip
      OP
      Anything else?
      Mar 20, 2018
    • Twitter / Product moj
      That is it. What do you suggest
      Mar 20, 2018
    • Kaspersky Lab Rtyuip
      OP
      Depends on your geekness level and paranoia :)

      Startpage.com
      Tor
      Firewall
      Secure wireless connection
      Regularly delete your cookies
      Cover up your web cam
      Encrypted emails with PGP or smth like protonmail.com with 2 levels of encryption
      Use really secure messengers like threema or signal
      That's like a good level

      Another option is to maintain 2 profiles - public and private with different phones and etc.
      Mar 20, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      @wow

      Microsoft Eng

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      @wowmore
      @OP what about a VPN?
      Mar 21, 2018
    • Kaspersky Lab Rtyuip
      OP
      VPN is useful for sure
      Mar 21, 2018
  • Amazon Gandhy
    I don't know dude. You work for Kaspersky. A Russian company known to help the Russian government to spy the shit out of people. It seems that it's in your best interest to not give a fuck about privacy.
    Mar 20, 2018 1
    • Kaspersky Lab Rtyuip
      OP
      It is not known. If you actually read those articles you'll see that those are accusations that has not been proved. If they were proved, company would be sanctioned, not banned from working with government.

      And we actually care about privacy, and we collect way less data about our users than Symantec and McAfee.

      Anyway, my employer is not me, and Im representing my opinion here hoping to have a discussion with smart people
      Mar 21, 2018
  • Box Uptime
    If you give Facebook your data then it’s no longer private
    Mar 20, 2018 1
  • Oath asslint2
    Both google and Facebook can suck my dick...this is the only time I'm happy to work for a failed technology company.
    Mar 20, 2018 0
  • Facebook olol1234
    I certainly don't see anyone making fun of these pesky Europeans anymore, fighting Facebook and Google on privacy infringements.

    I work at Facebook but I'm not happy about the creepy shit that can be done when our data gets into the wrong hands. I wouldn't mind stricter data privacy laws in the US across all industry and public sector.

    That goes for everything from old-school catalog companies, over credit-related data sharing, to indefinite, purpose-agnostic stockpiling of social media data by the government.

    The US has a long history of sacrificing the most basic privacy for the sake of consumerism and national security.
    Mar 21, 2018 4
    • VMware NAxl82
      That’s true about privacy laws. But FB went above and beyond for CA. I heard on msnbc that FB sent 3 analytics folks to CA to mine data for Trump campaign. That’s going too far. Not happy about it. And they should stop blaming others and take corrective actions.


      This is from Newyorker:
      These Cambridge Analytica contractors worked with Trump’s digital team, headed by Brad Parscale and Jared Kushner. Alongside all of them were Facebook employees who were embedded with the Trump campaign to help them use Facebook’s various tools most effectively—including the so-called “dark posts,” used to dissuade African-Americans from showing up to vote. Did any of them kno
      Mar 21, 2018
    • Kaspersky Lab Rtyuip
      OP
      VMware, even if FB participated in developing algorithms, when media say "data-obsessed political marketing can undermine democracy" it's such a BS.
      Remember times if election campaign, it seemed impossible to have Trump elected, and playing with FB data seemed like an interesting data science excersise.
      And all these media that used to make money on political marketing now are angry at Facebook and Internet, and Silicon Valley because they just care too much about democracy?
      Wanna see undermined democracy - talk to my colleagues from Russia.
      Mar 22, 2018
    • Kaspersky Lab Rtyuip
      OP
      However, I'm all for privacy laws and even personal digital ids
      Mar 22, 2018
  • Deloitte PVaQ48
    Dont use Facebook. Just keep a diary and call it a day.
    Mar 20, 2018 2
    • Kaspersky Lab Rtyuip
      OP
      Wouldn't help, though :)
      Mar 20, 2018
    • Apple YMxz02
      Rtyuip - of course that would help. Come on. You’re from a company that recently had not great press around security. You should know there’s a difference between data on a social network versus data in a diary. 🤣
      Mar 22, 2018
  • Lyft kovax
    FB has good privacy controls, you control the privacy of every post as well as your profile info. you can choose to allow only your direct friends access to your content.
    However, if you choose to share all your data to a stranger in exchange for finding out which Disney princess you resemble most, don't blame FB when the data ends up in Russia.
    Mar 21, 2018 1
    • Amazon l6 sdm
      Facebook has a history of introducing new methods of collection and using private data and default opting everyone in. Often when the system is first launched there is no opt out.

      And it's really hard to opt out of the automatically harvested data, like Facebook scanning faces and recognizing the same individual in photos from different users and creating an internal link between them.

      If that individual is not a Facebook user and has no Facebook account, how do they "opt out" of the feature, so that Facebook isn't tracking them across other people's photos?

      We need privacy laws the require companies to default to opt out and enable systems like this only for people who explicitly opt in.
      Mar 21, 2018
  • Google
    KKYK57

    Google

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    KKYK57more
    Privacy is super dead but FB is SUPER sketch. I’ve wiped everything mostly because I can’t stand their having anything about me, but that doesn’t fool me into thinking they’re private. I know we (Google) and Amazon have just as much data, but we’re so different in what we do with it.
    Mar 25, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Other Lowdown
    What I care about is their lack of urgency in solving a problem they caused. Zuck and Sheryl can’t be bothered. Grow a pair and go before Congress.
    Mar 21, 2018 0
  • T-Mobile 23ugf4!
    Facebook is still a great concept and idea. It has tipped too far to the side of news, articles and opinions vs. what my friends and family are really upto.
    Mar 20, 2018 0