Would like to hear everyone's opinion on either of the three. WLB, culture, etc. I'm looking to stay long term (if I'm lucky enough). The teams I interviewed with from each seem like a great bunch so i'm having a hard time deciding on which. All opinions are very much appreciated.
Tc?
Wish has bigger TC and it’s a Unicorn. Give us offer breakdown I would do FB > Wish > PayPal
Lol. Wonder what makes you think that Wish is gonna be more successful than PayPal . Besides PayPal stock has grown tremendously in past 5 years compared to a paper money. FB > PayPal >>> Wish ( Engineering , TC, Perks) PayPal has great WLB but I don’t know much about Facebook WLB.
Looks like he/she didn't make it to PayPal so the hate.
Erlang let's go
wish is good. lots of exciting projects and a lot of ownership. i've been enjoying my time here
Dont come to Paypal if you like to work, not very supportive culture: except for stock appreciation
Wish has a nonexistent engineering culture. Eng leadership is basically full of engineers who started at Wish as new grads and rose through the ranks, so Wish is all they know and they're figuring things out as they go along. If you've ever been at a large enough tech company with good emphasis on eng culture, or value good engineering practices, or want to become a better engineer, then do not go to wish.
I did find that strange. Eng managers being 4 years out from college with only 1 job, Wish.
On the other hand, if you are strong enough, you could be manager in 2 years as well. Yes, many old engineers start from Intern/new grad, but many recent hires don't anymore. I was in large tech company. Wish's management is actually more willing to accept new ideas/processes than those bureaucratic middle management in large company. It is not for everyone, but depends on what you want
For Wish, product team or marketplace team? Feel free to DM. I would say Wish = Fb > PayPal.
I was a senior engineer at Wish a few years ago and wrote a ton of base code that makes the app work today. I am at FB now and have friends who are currently at Wish or who recently left Wish. **TL;DR** 1. Zero company culture, team-by-team basis, run by new grads and interns. 2. At Wish you will get to work on a lot of features 3. SUPER HACKY CODE 4. Lots of competition in the space, eCommerce value inflated by COVID 5. Go to wish if you want to be promoted fast and be a lifer. Great learning opportunity but be skillcapped earlier. Make sure your team has solid cultural principles other than having chill people. What StqU02 said pretty much hits the nail on the head. The team's willingness and drive to improve depends on the team, as there is no overall eng culture. My team was able to figure things out and work really well, but once again my manager was someone with 2 YoE and 1 company and there really was no one to learn from. Everyone in my department had ONLY worked at Wish. The VPs and "directors" were all interns hired for cheap labor years ago and worked their way up because they made a huge impact. During my time there were more interns than FTEs. The majority of the codebase is written by interns - many of whom are no longer there - so you have to figure out how all their shitty code works. I had interviewed close to 100 people, and almost all of them were new grads 🤷♀️ I myself had a lot of opportunities to affect changes and some of the people I hired from back then are now managers. I definitely learned a ton initially, but my eng skills and learning definitely plateaued early on. Working at Wish became a case of the blind (me) leading the blind (all the other new grads / junior engineers). You will learn a lot from having to figure out a lot of things yourself (lack of infrastructure), but will end up being skill capped pretty early as a manager at Wish, which is why I left since I did not intend to be a Wish lifer. The majority of eng teams at wish are mired in terrible eng culture, lead by junior engineers who think they're the shit because they are now "managers." Having a more diverse work background, you will definitely suffer through arguing things with more tenured but less experienced engineers at Wish because they only know how to do things one way. In terms of product, there are many copycats for Wish. All eCommerce is hot right now due to COVID, so Wish's value is inflated. Wish is also currently a one-trick pony, whereas Whatsapp is the #1 messaging app in the world and they are still trying a lot of new things, including a huge play into eCommerce themselves. Wish is FB's #1 customer for ads. However, Wish is a very experiment-heavy product, and you will likely have the freedom to work on many different growth features. Additionally in terms of compensation, Wish is about to IPO so you're not going to get a great value compared to other tech companies Go to Wish if you want to be a Wish lifer, work fast on tons of features and if you get an amazing offer. Go to FB if you want to learn and establish your engineering skills (can also be a lifer there).
I went from fb to wish, and agree with this post.
I left Wish as a senior eng, and I found myself severely lacking in systems design and ability to execute on projects that required any sort of technical dept. I crawled out of this deficiency but it took quite some effort
@op. Make the post complete by including the level and TC. Else the info we give might be irrelevant. If possible include the org from PayPal
make it a poll.
Thanks mate. Just added it in. Didn't know it existed.