I have 2 offers 1 from Microsoft and other from Visa. Microsoft is lowballing me so should I tell them I have competitive offers? Would they know if I am faking another offer through some background check?
I have never heard that we need to produce a proof, do you mean send over the other offer? I don’t think anyone does that!
I suppose if they asked you could tell them your other offer letter has a confidentiality clause and your not allowed to share it 🤣
With your level of knowledge you’re guaranteed to get caught. Recruiters do ask for proof. They also know the structure and bands of offers from other companies. They might not know if your offer is real, but they’ll sure as hell know it’s fake if you get any details wrong.
Yep, recruiters ask for proof. They will ask you to produce the compete offer. It’s a different story if you say you are not willing to share it. You can be open about it.
Do they have any means to background check the offer. Apart from the fact that they are aware of compensation structure and bands ?
Of course not. What are they going to do? "Hi, Google Recruiter, this is Microsoft Recruiter. I have an applicant named moye-moye who currently works at Expedia Group. We're trying to extend him an offer, but he says that you guys are offering him more money than we are. Can you please confirm how much you're offering so we can offer him more than you?"
All they can do is ask you to show them a copy of the offer.
There’s nothing stopping him forging an offer. Recruiters bullshit people all the time, they create this negotiation hell by not being transparent in the first place. Ultimately your ask is within the pay band for the level at that company or not. If it’s way out, there isn’t much a recruiter can do. If it’s within they’ll fuck around playing chicken and then say yes
I've never been asked for proof, although I've never really shot the moon, just rounded up a little to put my finger on the scale. Probably it's more likely they'll ask for proof the less believable your lies are. Asking for proof of offer is kind of a minor red flag for a company's hiring practices IMO. I get the desire to call someone out on their bullshit, but at the same time asking for proof is basically just outsourcing your comp decision to another company. Companies should know what they need to pay for a given role, and be ready to offer something close to that before they bring candidates in and waste their time. Being willing to dramatically increase comp last minute because of another company's offer means that either: they were severely low-balling you and they know it, or they're making comp decisions in a very haphazard manner. Both would make me very worried about my job security when the higher ups start scrutinizing the payroll. Also, in this market a lot of recruiters and HMs are working within very tight pay bands, and the knowledge that other companies' pay bands are higher might not do much to change that. In the past companies were much more willing to shell out, and would try to beat each other's offers. A few weeks ago I started talking to a consultant recruiter representing a few different companies and mentioned I was in the final team matching stages at Datadog, and that my recruiter had said my final offer would be in the range of $280-300k TC. The recruiter told me to accept that offer if I got it. (I got the offer but ended up staying at Google.)
You realize Google is one of the companies where recruiters ask for proof?
Visa pays more than Msft?
Nooo
Tell them what you want. But if they ask for proof of another offer, and you can't produce it, you're done.
Why he can’t produce it?
What if he edits the comp in the offer by hand