Compensation

$300k TC. How many years of experience?

MicrosoftMichelle.
May 27

How much years of experience did it take or do you think it should take to get to $300k?

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  • It took around 9 - 10 years for me when I broke 300k, but note that inflation and location matter a lot
    May 272
    • Credit KarmaUkrr20
      Agreed. Starting salary has gone from 50K when I started to over 100K, even 130K. So this simple poll didn't take that into account
      May 29
    • Capital One / Othersl5
      Ditto
      May 29
  • Compass / Eng
    FUPayMe

    CompassEng

    PRE
    Google
    FUPayMemore
    3yrs. I’m a college dropout.
    May 274
    • Great going, can you mention what you do and how did you get there ?
      May 28
    • Uber / EngTC or GTFO
      Easy, leetcode bro
      May 28
    • Compass / Eng
      FUPayMe

      CompassEng

      PRE
      Google
      FUPayMemore
      Become very good at something very specific.
      May 29
    • Teledyne Technologies / Eng
      milkboi

      Teledyne TechnologiesEng

      PRE
      Nokia, Ericsson
      milkboimore
      Relevant username OP
      May 29
  • TuneInGfdcbhhjj
    Years of experience of what? Webdev, system, sre, qa? Years of JS, C++, Java. IC or management? All these aspects are matter along with location
    May 270
  • Oscar / Eng
    tc/gtfo

    OscarEng

    BIO
    Fuck you, but wats up bro.
    tc/gtfomore
    These days? I think 8 years is enough. If you are stellar, 5 is totally enough at FAANG. I have seen master grad come in with 300k package with little internship experience at FAANG. God knows why.
    May 274
    • IntuitZerosnark
      Curious, do you live in Bay Area or Seattle ?
      May 27
    • Oscar / Eng
      tc/gtfo

      OscarEng

      BIO
      Fuck you, but wats up bro.
      tc/gtfomore
      NY. Why?
      May 27
    • Amazonnerdbird
      Cost of living affect salaries thats why
      May 28
    • Oscar / Eng
      tc/gtfo

      OscarEng

      BIO
      Fuck you, but wats up bro.
      tc/gtfomore
      Oh true. Just to iterates my point elsewhere: I have family here in NYC, so $300k is not as bad as moving to SF alone.
      May 28
  • OathDwit
    Btw, a lot of people who have $300k plus salaries, invested years in phd or mba. So need to account for that too.
    May 273
    • Oscar / Eng
      tc/gtfo

      OscarEng

      BIO
      Fuck you, but wats up bro.
      tc/gtfomore
      Yeah, but having an advance degree doesn’t mean you get $300k automatically. It’s a rare case.
      May 28
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Gintama

      MicrosoftEng

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      Microsoft
      Gintamamore
      Yes and is usually quite the opposite lol
      May 28
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Gintama

      MicrosoftEng

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      Microsoft
      Gintamamore
      Look at google workforce even janitors have PhDs....
      May 28
  • MicrosoftlBBe78
    years of experience = years since BS.
    May 273
    • Amazon
      ftBP03

      Amazon

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      ftBP03more
      Years since bullshitting? Cause you need that experience to fast track as well.
      May 28
    • AppDynamics / Eng
      SoftwareEn

      AppDynamicsEng

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      Juniper Networks
      SoftwareEnmore
      BS above meant Bachelors degree
      May 28
    • MicrosoftDaAX46
      Thanks
      Jun 6
  • LinkedInnobody7
    I feel the question is not that meaningful with the inflation and stock bubble in recent years, most engineers in FLAANG and similar companies reach $300k during past 4 years regardless years of experiences
    May 278
    • Since when did L get added to FAANG?
      May 28
    • LinkedInnobody7
      it was FLAG when Leetcode has only 50 problems
      May 28
    • Microsoft / Product
      WishIWasXB

      MicrosoftProduct

      BIO
      High performing PM. Really wish I could find a good PM position in XBOX. PLEASE pm me with any decent positions in XBOX or VR.
      WishIWasXBmore
      WTF is the L? LinkedIn? Lol
      May 28
    • Oracle / Engngufv
      Your compensation is calculated with price at grant, not at vesting. The delta is investment returns.
      May 28
    • Uberwyddd
      Not completely true, when you interview for another company do you use the price at Grant to negotiate and make your decision or the current value?
      Also company looks at TC using current price (up or down) to adjust salary and compensation...
      May 28
    • Oracle / Engngufv
      That's an excellent point, but it really only applies to current vs prospective employer. When negotiating between different offers I'd never try and predict future stock price differences between them.

      The IRS will also be using vest price, and that's another reason to prefer cash.

      But when measuring your compensation, and especially for this type of discussion, using vest price would be misleading.
      May 28
    • Uberwyddd
      There is no real good way to do it... Grant price is also not fair because the company look at vesting price to adjust compensation, they need to ensure that the vesting price TC is not below the market or you might go to another company, so I think vesting price is what makes sense as that's what keep you (or push you out) of your current company. Therefore it's how much you value your current package
      May 28
    • RevinateJPQ
      LoL on FLAANG.
      Just throw in MSFT instead since you're from LinkedIn: FANMG.
      May 28
  • When you guys say TC, how do you count equity? e.g. let's say my base was $150K and RSUs of $200K over 4 years..is that $200K or $350K TC?
    May 277
    • AmazonH1B3
      200k TC
      May 27
    • Amazon's hiring bar went to shit
      May 28
    • Oscar / Eng
      tc/gtfo

      OscarEng

      BIO
      Fuck you, but wats up bro.
      tc/gtfomore
      Yeah yearly.
      May 28
    • Uberwyddd
      Well at Amazon it's more complicated due to the weird vesting schedule...
      May 28
    • AmazonLimp
      Excessive hiring I guess. At least it’s our bar lowering and not our stock, IBM ;-)

      Granted one often leads to another!
      May 28
    • Amazon888888888
      I've been thinking of going to IBM. Chad, what's your TC like?
      May 28
    • Don't go to IBM. I left a year ago and never looked back.
      May 28
  • New / Eng
    Luffy, M.D

    NewEng

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    Facebook
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    Prematurely grumpy old man
    Luffy, M.Dmore
    Haven't broken 300k yet, but finally got two offers close to it, depending on how you calculate YOE eithef 15 or 19.
    May 282
    • Bay area?
      May 28
    • New / Eng
      Luffy, M.D

      NewEng

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      Facebook
      BIO
      Prematurely grumpy old man
      Luffy, M.Dmore
      Yeah, Bay Area. Actually broke 300k in practice one year because a private employer went public about 6 years after I started but that's a black swan event not my regular comp and if you divide by years my options there per year were only about 30k.
      May 28
  • UberGmie27
    PhD + 3 years is very different from Bachelor + 3 years
    May 281
  • GoogleB612
    You would need a ton of years to accumulate 300K Thread Crapping (TC) posts
    May 280
  • FacebookPnPq30
    2 years. New grad
    May 284
    • Didn’t know Facebook was paying that for new grads. Are you counting with signing bonus?
      May 28
    • FacebookPnPq30
      It’s from 2 promotions and also the stock/refresher increase in past 2 years to reach that TC.

      Edit: 2 instead of 3
      May 28
    • eBay / Eng
      #yolo

      eBayEng

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      Microsoft
      #yolomore
      Wait you said it took 2 years to reach 300k and then u say stock increase in the past 3 years? What?
      May 29
    • FacebookPnPq30
      Oops. I meant 2 years. Stock more than doubled since I joined so that pushed TC quite a bit
      May 29
  • $310 is the baseline at Netflix for a 5-6 years experience UI engineer.
    May 283
    • DocuSign / Eng
      Neo007

      DocuSignEng

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      Juniper Networks
      Neo007more
      JS, HTML, CSS = $310k ??
      May 28
    • LinkedInwiseguy_
      Neo it's more complicated than it sounds, there is site speed , bidirectional text, different form factors and alot of other stuff to keep in mind.
      May 29
    • LinkedInK7
      Why site speed is part of Neo? Most ui problem has common solutions from github, google or android.
      Jun 3
  • It really depends upon the job. A mechanical engineer isn’t going to make $300k unless they are at the highest levels-and there aren’t that many openings at that level. Hence, it is rare in the Silicon Valley tech companies. I can’t understand why software guys make these huge salaries, or most importantly, why CEO’s and execs make the outrageous salaries. Most execs at Intel are really bad and BK is horrible. There is no reason why he should make 211x the median salary at Intel.
    May 284
    • Uberwyddd
      Not fair, maybe, but I believe the main reason is margin and scalability... Add to that faster iteration, lower cost of failure, there is a higher demand for software in general dragging salary up
      May 28
    • Oscar / Eng
      tc/gtfo

      OscarEng

      BIO
      Fuck you, but wats up bro.
      tc/gtfomore
      Because tech industry has too much hot money around, and everyone is demanding for higher salary. Competing for best talent: eh, honestly, I think only 1-2 % of engineers are stellar enough, with top 10 of engineers having very stellar work profiles, and roughly 40% of engineers being young graduates willing to work 12 hours a day. Making numbers up but you get the point.
      May 28
    • AppleCookerT
      A lot of mechanical engineers make >$300k TC at Apple
      May 28
    • Lazardfin/tech
      More about the individual companies' business models than it is tech in general. FB/GOOG/Apple etc make a TON of money on relatively low headcounts of technical/product staff. You bet your bottom dollar that they're seeing some of the action.

      Economies of scale (users/customers/deals) + high margins + highly valued stock + low-ish headcount = prevalence of $300k+ compensation.

      In that sense, tech is like finance nowadays except there's less of a regimented apprenticeship model to go with it.
      May 29
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  • Facebookzuck04
    i know interns that got full time returning offers pretty close to that ($250+k TC) at facebook
    May 282
    • FacebookIts Sheryl
      My first year offer was 290k but next year it dropped by 100k. I don't think that counts.
      May 28
    • Lazardfin/tech
      Signing bonuses don't count
      May 29
  • Frame.io / Eng
    qgnF27

    Frame.ioEng

    PRE
    Mozilla
    BIO
    Nope
    qgnF27more
    300k is a lot. Most devs in NYC are on about 120-150 (unless I’m super underpaid). If the rest is stock, how long does it take to vest?
    May 282
    • Uberwyddd
      300k is including bonus and stock... Now you can argue on what does it mean for private company? How much should I value my Uber stock? Maybe I shouldn't include them at all, in which case I below 300k 😞
      May 28
    • Oscar / Eng
      tc/gtfo

      OscarEng

      BIO
      Fuck you, but wats up bro.
      tc/gtfomore
      I always look at the base first. If base is too low, fuck that.
      May 28
  • SalesforcejajP40
    12 years experience... not even closer.
    May 280
  • Twitter / Eng
    Finagled

    TwitterEng

    PRE
    Oracle, Facebook
    Finagledmore
    To truly measure the opportunity cost here, you should ask for years since graduating with a bachelor’s degree. Spending 5 years getting a PhD and another 2 to get to 300k, vs a college kid making 300k after 4 years of working in the industry. I’d pick the latter.
    May 283
    • RackspacerEEp18
      I make $500k+ with an associates degree. I just have a really kick ass resume.
      May 29
    • Amazon
      UbDR20

      Amazon

      PRE
      USAA
      UbDR20more
      Rackspace is still alive and kicking?
      May 29
    • RackspacerEEp18
      They pivoted violently into a services company. So now we make complex AWS solutions viable for companies that can't figure out how to architect in AWS. Or keep their certified architects for that matter.
      May 29
  • LinkedInUCantFind
    3.5 yrs after bachelor's
    May 290
  • RackspacerEEp18
    I was stuck at 200k until I realized that I could work for multiple companies remote. That's what helped me break 500k. You just have to be so good at the specific thing you do that you can totally master each gig so you are staying performant.
    May 292
    • MicrosoftMandarinMa
      Sweet hack, get two full-time jobs 😂
      May 30
    • RackspacerEEp18
      I felt a little guilty until all my employers rated me exemplary. Then I was like, cool I'm gonna keep doing that.
      May 30
  • Frame.io / OtherqgnF27
    A recruiter just posted this on my feed. These are standard US tech salaries and hardly any break 200k, let alone the 300 that is being mentioned here.
    Who here is getting 300k and where?
    May 296
    • Cruise AutomationKv
      A lot of blind people believe that counting total compensation (i.e. - salary and bonuses) is the main way to evaluate your worth (because the number is bigger, duh, so it's a much easier dick measuring contest) and in some cases it's valid, like I got a bunch of cash payouts in the past. Oh n many cases like my current company there's no way to establish that because I just own a part of it and it's worthless at the moment. The main people for whom that works for are for those working at consistently valuated large publicly traded companies. And even then there's confusion because in many cases the people take the total amount of bonus spread out over 4 years and add it to a yearly salary to get 'tc' which is again not correct, for you get some fraction of the bonus over the first year say, 20-40% and the rest is vested in installments... but anyway, I digress
      May 29
    • BetterWorksTheSenate
      These are probably base salaries which seem reasonable (whereas this post was asking about TC).
      May 29
    • Cruise AutomationKv
      Yea, that's not how most people on blind report it
      May 29
    • Cruise AutomationKv
      Not in my
      May 29
    • Compass / Eng
      FUPayMe

      CompassEng

      PRE
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      FUPayMemore
      Average salaries require a good chunk of people making more and a good chunk making less.
      May 29
    • Lazardfin/tech
      Total comp is only relevant to companies that hire top talent.

      Everyone else has to make do with base salaries and some "token" benefits like insignifcant bonuses, ESPPs, 401ks, etc.

      Moral of the story: get a job at a top company if you don't want to be average. Only average folks settle for not getting a total comp vs just base (and meaningless benefits).
      May 30
  • H2O.ai / Mgmt
    wassup

    H2O.aiMgmt

    PRE
    Startup Shell
    wassupmore
    It’s not about years of work so much as it about value you can deliver.
    May 290
  • Amazon / Eng
    sarcasticg

    AmazonEng

    PRE
    Sabre Corporation
    sarcasticgmore
    300k+ in bay area is as good as 150k+ in Midwest.
    May 291
    • Oscar / Eng
      tc/gtfo

      OscarEng

      BIO
      Fuck you, but wats up bro.
      tc/gtfomore
      I want $300k in midwest though!
      May 29
  • Uber.:
    Average person in my friend circle (of course the circle itself is biased) breaks 300k after 3 years of experience. Bay area, only count public RSUs at grant price
    May 290
  • LinkedInK7
    The easiest way to get 300k is Leetcode + jump around
    Jun 30

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