Amazon L5 offer eval

New fEdj11
May 10 45 Comments

Got an offer from Amazon (SF):
base: $165
RSU: 210 (vested over 4 years, 5%, 15%, 40%, 40%)

Sign on year 1: $155
Sign on year 2: $110

Total compensation approx: $345

YOE: 6+ years after PhD

Will get a competing offer from Salesforce and Apple.

The current offer is a bit lower than my expectation. Ideally I want to take it to 400k. Any thoughts?

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  • Apptio cloudwind
    Please divide sign on to 4 years. This is 280k TC in 4 year avg, not 355K
    May 10 5
    • Coupang / Eng
      Ka-chow!๐Ÿ’ฅ

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      Thatโ€™s incorrect and not how TC is calculated on Blind.
      May 10
    • Microsoft OgUa26
      Apptio is right. I donโ€™t give a rats ass on the skewed TC for year 1 or 2. Averaging it out over 4 years is your expected TC.
      May 10
    • New fEdj11
      OP
      5% first yr, 15% 2nd year and 20% each six months after 2nd year (in short 40% 3rd and 4th year)
      May 10
    • New fEdj11
      OP
      its approx 345k. I have updated the figures in the question.
      May 10
    • Apptio cloudwind
      Cool. Awesome offer .
      May 11
  • Nvidia ECTT56
    That's a solid base + sign-on, good job negotiating that.

    Could work on the RSUs, at least 50k more

    Then take it to SF and get them to really max things out.
    May 10 3
    • New fEdj11
      OP
      I am wondering to ask more on sign-on and then go for more RSUs
      May 10
    • Nvidia ECTT56
      Sure that could work but not a lot of room to get those higher without another offer.

      Also be aware AZ is one of the companies who try to limit rounds of neg to 2-3 and then can stop even if it's not in their best interest.
      May 10
    • New fEdj11
      OP
      Good to know. I will be careful in negotiating.
      May 10
  • Amazon Nkbf63
    Year 1 target is: 165 + 155 + 0.05*210*1.15*1.95 = 343.5
    May 10 3
    • New / Eng going2g
      Could the offer be 210 stock units? In which case it would be 165 + 155 + 0.05*210*1.9*1.15 = 343
      May 10
    • New fEdj11
      OP
      how does 1.9 and 1.15 represent stock value? I am quite naive in this
      May 10
    • New / Eng going2g
      1.9 is the approximate stock price ($1,900)
      1.15 represents Amazon's target stock growth. They expect their stock to increase in value by 15% per year.
      May 10
  • Amazon mghd
    Applied Scientist?
    May 10 0
  • New / Eng going2g
    Curious how you're getting 355k as your TC? ๐Ÿค”
    May 10 3
    • New fEdj11
      OP
      sorry that was a mistake on my side
      May 10
    • New / Eng going2g
      No worries, was just curious. Congrats on the offer and good luck with Salesforce and Apple! My advise to you would be to consider future TC growth and benefits when comparing offers, as Amazon is notoriously bad at those.
      May 10
    • New fEdj11
      OP
      Thanks for the advice. I don't know much about the compensation setup. I think I got your point. Amazon offer will be more or less fixed for four years. I will see what others offer. I will share the numbers.
      May 10
  • New fEdj11
    OP
    Updating final offer:
    TC 380k
    Base 185k
    RSU 220 (5%, 15%, 40%, 40%)
    Signon Y1: 175k
    Singon Y2: 135k
    Jun 25 2
    • Square / Eng sraf
      This is a crazy L5 offer. Congrats.
      Jun 25
    • Tencent / R&D
      IBtf78

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      congrats
      Jun 27
  • American Express bugger!
    If this is L5, makes me feel I left a lot of money on the table because I gave the number first and screwed myself. Congrats, phenomenal offer. You can perform at lower level of expectations and not worry much about promotion to L6.
    May 10 2
    • Amazon Nkbf63
      bugger, this is upper range for L6 SDE, and since he is L5 i think the role is Applied Scientist ii.
      May 10
    • New fEdj11
      OP
      yes its applied role.
      Do you know the upper limit in the applied case?
      May 10
  • Nvidia wagecuck
    210 rsu or 210K? This looks like an L6 offer tbh...
    May 10 4
    • New fEdj11
      OP
      L5 and L6 brackets are overlapping. 210 rsu
      May 10
    • Nvidia wagecuck
      This is L6 for sure.
      May 10
    • New fEdj11
      OP
      its applied position at L5
      May 10
    • Nvidia wagecuck
      Oh okay thought it was sde, itโ€™s same payband as sde3
      May 10
  • Microsoft doodie
    What is sign on year 1 & 2? Cash? I have not seen that in offers from other companies.
    May 10 3
    • Amazon does that to offset the vesting schedule. It's pretty good actually. You can always buy stock with the sign on they give you
      May 10
    • Microsoft doodie
      So it's actually cash?? Wow. Why not just give the stock evenly? From their perspective it seems easier.
      May 10
    • I've been wondering the same thing. I'm not sure ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ
      May 10
  • Tencent / R&D
    IBtf78

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    How is it like now? Did you push any further?
    May 16 2
    • New fEdj11
      OP
      still in the negotiation phase. I will update once there is something concrete.
      May 21
    • Tencent / R&D
      IBtf78

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      AFAIK the upper bound salary at SF is 180k or 185k. Try push that up. For Sign-on and RSU they usually use a calculator to generate combinations. Just say I want 355k (or 365k) they will show you new combinations.
      May 21
  • Square / Eng ajjsjdjfjc
    400 seems impossible for L5.
    May 10 1
    • New fEdj11
      OP
      I got downleveled thats why wanted to maximize the compensation
      May 10
  • That is an INSANE offer for SDE 2. Looks like you got downleveled
    May 10 1
    • New fEdj11
      OP
      I did not get your point. Is it a lot less than what I should be getting?
      May 10
  • Apple bgdrx6pn
    Arenโ€™t the RSUs mostly vesting in year 3 and 4?
    May 10 1
    • BluVector sparked
      Yea 5/15/40/40
      May 10
  • Amazon Nkbf63
    Updated. Thanks!
    May 10 0
  • Amazon / Product
    dreambigYo

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    Anyone Hire Product Manager :)
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    Jesus
    May 10 0

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