Right, so why are you not in India now? FWIW, am Indian, and glad I left the filth, air/water/noise pollution, the corruption, the entitled fucks that are the middle and upper class, the culture of talking and not doing, the extreme bigotry ...
I’m not saying that my country has no racism. What I’m trying to say is that when I was in India, I noticed that there are far more reasons Indians can use to discriminate against each other:
1. skin color (fair skin vs dark skin) 2. religion (Hindus vs Muslims vs Christians vs Sikhs, etc.) 3. caste (reddys vs kammas vs kapus, dalit discrimination, etc.) 4. language (Assam vs Bengali, Punjabs vs everyone, etc.) 5. state (Tamil Nadu vs Kerala conflict, water disputes, etc.) 6. schooling (guys from BITS beating up and almost killing a guy from IIT) 7. gender 8. family 9. village
I’m sure I’m missing a lot more since I only lived there less than a year. But the numerous reasons that Indians use to discriminate against each other was very surprising.
At least in America, it’s mostly about skin color.
People like edsav are the reason India is the easy you put it. They just can't admit their faults no matter how blatant it is. To pretend that America is more racist than India is as extremely delusional as it can be.
Definitely not as much as I would in India! When was the last time someone said they wouldn't rent a house due to your last name in the US? How often are people so upset about lineage that that kill or break ties because their children married sometime from a different ethnicity?
Ok tech ladki, while i do agree neither country is perfect, it would be unfair to compare NY to some village in India or Mumbai to some racist mid west city (fyi racism in usa is a real issue and i am speaking first hand). Walking on the street and getting shot is a fear that i never had in India (but as a woman walking in India would be equally scary) Each country has its own problems, i would go so far to say, each city has its own problem (i would happily stay in Mumbai over Detroit). To each their own choice, but claiming one is "better" is absolutely not right.. All luxuries and security come at a price($) and you should just be ready to pay for it.
That's BS... Let's say for example, there are 65K available GC Visa annual... And 90K petitions from Indians and Chinese... This means that all other nationalities will get backlogged till forever... I also understand US position here, to want diversity. There is an equal amount of petitions per nationality... Or region for that matter. If there are available left per region they'll be allocated to backlogged region. But, this way, you guarantee each nationality has a fair share.
When you enter US or get a job at let’s say VM Ware - do you represent your country? Or just yourself? I do not represent my country of birth - I am an individual and wish to be treated as such. Even if I accept the point around diversity (which I don’t) - then also tying the gc to country of birth doesn’t make sense. What’s the difference between a Bangladeshi and a west Bengali? A Pakistani and a typical North Indian (fine let’s make them both Muslims -btw if religion is the main difference then can I change it and get the Pakistani quota? :)) Point being that defining diversity is another difficult (and futile) task - India is a highly diverse place. If diversity is what you are after - then I would argue that the state of Andhra Pradesh from India single handedly has dominated the Indian visa quota!! That’s unfair to me cause I speak a different language, I look different than a typical Telugu person and I also have different culinary habits - I am much closer to a Pakistani in language, looks, and eating habits - why not consider me in Pakistani quota ? Also - if you are going to assign quota to people based on diversity - then why don’t you numerically assign quota based on their population. A truly representative quota should mean about 17% quota for Indians (or Chinese) and ~4%quota for Pakistanis. We should also perhaps have separate quotas by gender - so 2% quota for Pakistani men - that looks fair to me :-). You sir, just have a bias to defend the prevailing system because it benefits you - please don’t talk about fair :-)
Not Pakistani. I agree that India is a very diverse place. But, it is a One country. Same as US is 50 states, but, 1 country. And true, we are individuals, we're not ambassadors of our birth countries. Nor am I defending the GC system... The immigration system does require a huge make over. BTW, you can only blame Indian skull companies for this. Abusing and flooding the system.
US -50 states analogy doesn’t apply to India man. The diversity in India is incomparable - better comparison is Europe. French and German are very different - yet they have some connective thread. India is like that. The difference between a Tamil and a Bengali is not even comparable to the difference between a Californian and a Texan. Bottom line - taking country of birth as a proxy for “diversity” doesn’t work - it especially doesn’t work for India. Anyway - on Indian body shops - yes - agree on that. Can we just crack down on them? Ban them if we need to! But this immigration system doesn’t work. And it is not fair by any measure.
The us is a super Inequal country. If you are in tech you will be in the top, and guess what ? The inequality benefits you. The difference between the pay of a tech worker and a cashier at Walmart is something like 10 times. If you go to moat country, it is something like 2 or 3 times.
So yeah the opportunity cost of migrating here for tech is pretty crazy
Depends on what are you here for in the first place. A rich Indian would most probably not come here since the luxury you can enjoy back home won't be possible here. If you are a "tech migrant" then US ranks 1 2 3 ... 10. Canada and Australia is okay for the average tech worker but if you are at the top of your game, the money you can make here is unmatched. As far as personal life and social life go, having so many from your own country is both a boon and a curse. To me personally, the only downside is the constant uncertainty regarding the future since I am on a work visa. No matter how burnt out I get (yes some folks do work at Intel) I can never take a break (resigning and not working for a while), the implicit bias based on your immigration status (yes your manager, no matter how good a person he or she is, would be too dumb not to take some advantage of the same when it comes to focals and appraisals). No matter where you end up, life of a 1st generation outside of your homeland will always be a struggle of some sort. And even in general I don't think there is a nation as welcoming as US. Yes you will leftist and rightist nuts every now and then (some should be granted honorary CIS membership and numbers USA grant) the centrist sbd balanced majority more than makes up for it.
There’s no number caps on t1n visa that Canadians get in the USA. If your primary purpose of staying in the USA is the high Tc then you will get that. Meanwhile you’d also have an option to fallback to socialist Canada when things are bad.
Yes but gc after you’re on t1n will require you to be on h1b and then at the time of gc you’ll will still have similar times for getting a gc since it’s by country of birth and not citizenship. You’re just looking for a fall back option in Canada and that’s fine. But getting a gc in usa by being a Canadian citizenship despite having Indian country of birth won’t help
I disagree. I'm desirable by a lot of countries, but I'm here because I can make the most $$ here. I'm not forced to be here, and might very well leave in 5 years. If you feel you're better off not being here, leave. I might do that soon as well.
Literally any other country will not work. There are good alternatives though. Top of my list, considering options for long term immigration, quality of life as well (even at the cost of lower pay & career options) are Canada UK Most of Western Europe Singapore Australia & NZ