As an Indian Immigrant, Go to Literally Any Other Country on This Planet (Other than the US), and You'll Be Better Off

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  • Facebook / Other
    Janitorque

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    Right, so why are you not in India now? FWIW, am Indian, and glad I left the filth, air/water/noise pollution, the corruption, the entitled fucks that are the middle and upper class, the culture of talking and not doing, the extreme bigotry ...
    Apr 12 20
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      tech.ladki

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      tech.ladkimore
      Definitely not as much as I would in India!
      When was the last time someone said they wouldn't rent a house due to your last name in the US?
      How often are people so upset about lineage that that kill or break ties because their children married sometime from a different ethnicity?
      Apr 13
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      tech.ladki

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      tech.ladkimore
      Oracle, waiting for an answer! Speechless huh?
      Apr 13
    • Microsoft weirvhtd
      Ok tech ladki, while i do agree neither country is perfect, it would be unfair to compare NY to some village in India or Mumbai to some racist mid west city (fyi racism in usa is a real issue and i am speaking first hand). Walking on the street and getting shot is a fear that i never had in India (but as a woman walking in India would be equally scary)
      Each country has its own problems, i would go so far to say, each city has its own problem (i would happily stay in Mumbai over Detroit).
      To each their own choice, but claiming one is "better" is absolutely not right..
      All luxuries and security come at a price($) and you should just be ready to pay for it.
      Apr 13
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      tech.ladki

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      tech.ladkimore
      I never said either country is perfect.
      This thread was about which country is more racist. I think the answer is obvious.
      Apr 13
    • Microsoft weirvhtd
      Disagree.
      Red states are pretty racist. Similarly southern India is far less racist than north India. Differs case by case. Money triumphs race
      Apr 13
  • Amazon 737max💥
    Maybe if you put the phrase "employment based Indian" in front of the word "immigrant" I'd agree..
    Apr 12 1
    • Apple / Eng fruitco334
      Your username is incredible
      Apr 12
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    Opportunity in the tech industry in the US is wayyyy better than any other country
    Apr 12 0
  • Apple / Eng fruitco334
    You first OP. Fuck off to Uzbekistan, Chad, Bengaluru, or Asgard or wherever
    Apr 12 2
    • New / Eng
      bumerang

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      I've been to Uzbekistan once. It is a nice place, universal health care and free education.
      Apr 13
    • Nvidia monolith
      Please this is blind ok. You can post anything ! Who needs research?
      Apr 13
  • Microsoft TrumpWins
    Does MSFT have an office in Somalia? No? Then STFU
    Apr 12 0
  • VMware ufdcbh
    Wait wait wait...
    Does Pakistan count? 😜
    Apr 12 8
    • VMware ufdcbh
      That's BS...
      Let's say for example, there are 65K available GC Visa annual...
      And 90K petitions from Indians and Chinese...
      This means that all other nationalities will get backlogged till forever...
      I also understand US position here, to want diversity.
      There is an equal amount of petitions per nationality... Or region for that matter.
      If there are available left per region they'll be allocated to backlogged region.
      But, this way, you guarantee each nationality has a fair share.
      Apr 13
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      When you enter US or get a job at let’s say VM Ware - do you represent your country? Or just yourself? I do not represent my country of birth - I am an individual and wish to be treated as such. Even if I accept the point around diversity (which I don’t) - then also tying the gc to country of birth doesn’t make sense. What’s the difference between a Bangladeshi and a west Bengali? A Pakistani and a typical North Indian (fine let’s make them both Muslims -btw if religion is the main difference then can I change it and get the Pakistani quota? :)) Point being that defining diversity is another difficult (and futile) task - India is a highly diverse place. If diversity is what you are after - then I would argue that the state of Andhra Pradesh from India single handedly has dominated the Indian visa quota!! That’s unfair to me cause I speak a different language, I look different than a typical Telugu person and I also have different culinary habits - I am much closer to a Pakistani in language, looks, and eating habits - why not consider me in Pakistani quota ? Also - if you are going to assign quota to people based on diversity - then why don’t you numerically assign quota based on their population. A truly representative quota should mean about 17% quota for Indians (or Chinese) and ~4%quota for Pakistanis. We should also perhaps have separate quotas by gender - so 2% quota for Pakistani men - that looks fair to me :-). You sir, just have a bias to defend the prevailing system because it benefits you - please don’t talk about fair :-)
      Apr 13
    • VMware ufdcbh
      Not Pakistani.
      I agree that India is a very diverse place.
      But, it is a One country.
      Same as US is 50 states, but, 1 country.
      And true, we are individuals, we're not ambassadors of our birth countries.
      Nor am I defending the GC system...
      The immigration system does require a huge make over.
      BTW, you can only blame Indian skull companies for this.
      Abusing and flooding the system.
      Apr 13
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      US -50 states analogy doesn’t apply to India man. The diversity in India is incomparable - better comparison is Europe. French and German are very different - yet they have some connective thread. India is like that. The difference between a Tamil and a Bengali is not even comparable to the difference between a Californian and a Texan. Bottom line - taking country of birth as a proxy for “diversity” doesn’t work - it especially doesn’t work for India. Anyway - on Indian body shops - yes - agree on that. Can we just crack down on them? Ban them if we need to! But this immigration system doesn’t work. And it is not fair by any measure.
      Apr 13
    • MathWorks / Data fXss35
      Let's do it by population then. Indian states are individually more diverse than many countries.

      The system is what it is.... But fair it certainly is not.
      Apr 13
  • Here is the thing:

    The us is a super Inequal country.
    If you are in tech you will be in the top, and guess what ? The inequality benefits you.
    The difference between the pay of a tech worker and a cashier at Walmart is something like 10 times. If you go to moat country, it is something like 2 or 3 times.

    So yeah the opportunity cost of migrating here for tech is pretty crazy
    Apr 12 0
  • Intel JK7
    Depends on what are you here for in the first place. A rich Indian would most probably not come here since the luxury you can enjoy back home won't be possible here. If you are a "tech migrant" then US ranks 1 2 3 ... 10. Canada and Australia is okay for the average tech worker but if you are at the top of your game, the money you can make here is unmatched. As far as personal life and social life go, having so many from your own country is both a boon and a curse. To me personally, the only downside is the constant uncertainty regarding the future since I am on a work visa. No matter how burnt out I get (yes some folks do work at Intel) I can never take a break (resigning and not working for a while), the implicit bias based on your immigration status (yes your manager, no matter how good a person he or she is, would be too dumb not to take some advantage of the same when it comes to focals and appraisals). No matter where you end up, life of a 1st generation outside of your homeland will always be a struggle of some sort. And even in general I don't think there is a nation as welcoming as US. Yes you will leftist and rightist nuts every now and then (some should be granted honorary CIS membership and numbers USA grant) the centrist sbd balanced majority more than makes up for it.
    Apr 13 0
  • Groupon / Eng sleepy
    Best option is to go to Canada get the citizenship in 5 years and come back.
    Apr 12 10
    • Groupon / Eng sleepy
      There’s no number caps on t1n visa that Canadians get in the USA. If your primary purpose of staying in the USA is the high Tc then you will get that. Meanwhile you’d also have an option to fallback to socialist Canada when things are bad.
      Apr 13
    • Groupon / Eng sleepy
      T1n is non immigrant visa, if you want to start a GC process you have to get to H1b. The Canadians converted to H1B are actually seeking GC here.
      Apr 13
    • Pandora !401k
      Yes but gc after you’re on t1n will require you to be on h1b and then at the time of gc you’ll will still have similar times for getting a gc since it’s by country of birth and not citizenship. You’re just looking for a fall back option in Canada and that’s fine. But getting a gc in usa by being a Canadian citizenship despite having Indian country of birth won’t help
      Apr 13
    • Uber danke
      Yes @sleepy sorry to break it down to you but if you are Indian you are not getting GC through employment in next 100 years.
      Apr 13
    • Groupon / Eng sleepy
      I’m already a us citizen but I was born in India. Getting a US citizenship is not a requirement of any Indians I know of but getting a high TC is one of the top priorities.
      Apr 13
  • Uber ARPD37
    I disagree. I'm desirable by a lot of countries, but I'm here because I can make the most $$ here. I'm not forced to be here, and might very well leave in 5 years. If you feel you're better off not being here, leave. I might do that soon as well.
    Apr 12 0
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    tech.ladkimore
    While the US green card line for Indians is detrimental to both Indians and America in general, as an Indian you are probably better off than being in India!
    Apr 12 1
    • Amazon 737max💥
      They know you're right. Regardless of what they post to blind, hundreds of thousands of Indians are voting with their feet.
      Apr 13
  • Microsoft weirvhtd
    Try going to dubai until you get racist and sharia fucked
    Apr 13 0
  • Amazon / Product apasjdaa
    Literally any other country will not work. There are good alternatives though. Top of my list, considering options for long term immigration, quality of life as well (even at the cost of lower pay & career options) are
    Canada
    UK
    Most of Western Europe
    Singapore
    Australia & NZ
    Apr 12 0
  • Oath / Mgmt Atinlay2
    Bye Felicia
    Apr 12 0
  • MathWorks / Data fXss35
    As an Indian immigrant in a non-tech field. : Sure

    For some in CS : are you crazy? The kind of financial security a $150k new grad TV gives you is insane. You wound barely get 50% of that in another country.

    If you don't get a green card and need to go to Canada or Australia, then you already have enough savings to buy yourself a fucking house.

    Yes. I would like to be treated a bit better and not be taken for one of the contract workers here to take low hanging fruit jobs. But, honestly, it ain't all that bad.
    Apr 13 0
  • Oracle edsav
    Go rot in Syria and Somalia
    Apr 12 0
  • Its better to have more options, but its still ranks up there.
    Apr 12 0