Aurora Tech vs Argo AI

Sep 25 25 Comments

I got offers from Argo ai and Aurora Tech (Chris Urmson). I am a Software ML Engineer. Which one should I choose considering financial stability of the company for the next 2 years along with work life balance and work culture quality? Argo has $3.6 Billion in funding (got $2.6 Billion recently) whereas Aurora lost Volkswagen as a partner recently and has only $690 million in funding. Both companies however have the same number of employees. I am also considering the possibility of a recession in the next few years.

I am on visa and want the company to apply for my Green Card which means that they should not have any lay-offs for the next 2 years as per the USCIS rules. I worry if Aurora falls in the same line as Zoox where they have not been able to raise funding since the last year in July 2018.

My current company is just awfully unstable with a constant worry of when the bankruptcy might happen. Hence, I would want to avoid a similar situation in the near future.

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  • Cruise Automation Waygo
    Aurora has better talent and IP. It's backed by Amazon. My speculation is, Amazon will push for Rivian Aurora merger at some point. Amazon, Aurora and Rivian would be a killer combo. I have few friends working for Aurora and they love the company culture a lot. I have heard very good things about the company culture and the no jerks policy.

    The 2.6 billion funding from VW for Argo AI is not all cash it includes people assets etc. I would bet my money on Aurora. I don't find Argo AI talent to be top notch compared to Aurora.
    Sep 25 3
    • Uber
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      Amazon + Rivian + Aurora —- make sense to me, they prolly are already in talks
      Sep 26
    • Argo AI UWCA
      Ford invested $500M in Rivian.
      Sep 26
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      Self driving technology is still in infancy. Companies are putting their bets on multiple companies hoping one of them will work. Like Hyundai is an investor in Aurora and also did JV with Aptiv.
      Sep 30
  • New eh18
    Aurora has some cool people, but Jinnah can be a jerk. He's very proud of having 'worked for a psychopath' while at SpaceX. Also be mindful they fired a ton of people around Christmas due to internal politics. Maybe their head of HR is still their General Counsel too? Which is just asking for trouble. They have a lot of upside, but don't believe the polished facade.

    Argo's equity is a scam. They've been giving offers at an $8b valuation for most of 2019, yet they were definitely less than that before July, and $8b is not true today because VW deal hasn't cleared Euro. Also the deail puts them below $8b anyways. It takes a lot of stupid to lie about your valuation. They also don't give options or RSUs but rather 'investor units' in a LLC structure tax dodge that Ford invented. Argo tacked on VW's European team as part of the investment, so good luck finding projects at that place, it's way over-crowded now.
    Sep 26 3
    • OP
      Fired due to financial reasons or just politics? Was it a proper layoff that is reported in WARN notice or just normal firing because of HR’s power/politics? Aurora’s Office seemed to be quite overcrowded and less maintained. It was difficult to find parking when I visited it. Argo’s Office seems to be quite nice and well maintained. However, financial stability is kind of important given how none of these companies are close to actually shipping a viable product.
      Sep 26
    • Argo AI mjforever1
      Your post is purely a scam or at best faceless speculation. The deal puts Argo at 8b for sure and we are doing a lot of cool things with a very clear objective in mind. Wait and see
      Sep 26
    • New eh18
      Argo definitely $7b at best and deal not closed yet https://www.zdnet.com/article/volkswagen-and-ford-join-forces-in-7b-argo-ai-alliance-deal/

      Search on Blind there are many people told lies during offers. Maybe VW thinks lies are OK but in USA lies about valuation is frauds.
      Sep 28
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    I myself leaning towards Aurora. They have huge potential for growth. Their leadership needs no introduction.
    Sep 26 1
    • Argo AI UWCA
      They might not need any introduction but any news I hear about Aurora they certainly take that introduction with fireworks and confetti.
      Sep 26
  • Aurora SMC007
    I've been very happy at Aurora, and wouldn't really worry about funding for the next couple years at least. It's a great blend of top notch tech, a motivated team and a friendly culture.

    Argo is clearly doing well financially and I don't think that's going to change in the near term either. I do know folks from Argo that have moved to Aurora and are happy here. Feel free to DM me if you want to know more.
    Sep 26 2
    • Cruise Automation / Eng
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    • Argo AI
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      Refer me man
      Oct 2
  • Argo AI MJQj88
    Argo all the way. Automaker partnerships matter, Aurora doesn’t have strong ties, just ‘get to know you’ investments. I can’t speak to culture at Aurora but I can say Argo has realistic goals and extremely strong talent and treats it’s employees very well. They hire doers, not talkers.
    Oct 2 1
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      checkmate$

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  • You’ll be fine at anywhere but NIO 😂
    Sep 28 0
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    I heard disturbing stories about Jinnah who is leading the software org at Aurora. I saw that in Blind someone commented which I ignored but then I met someone who worked under Jinnah in past and he mentioned he is an asshole (before you ask me what do I mean by that please read Robert Sutton book about Asshole).
    Can someone comment from Aurora on how was their experience with Jinnah????
    I am worried if that is case with top leadership then it can have trickled down effect.
    Oct 9 1
    • Aurora xf98
      Only some of the software org is under Jinnah. The rest (the more interesting technical teams like motion planning and perception) reports to Drew. That said, haven’t had any issues with Jinnah. He is polite to people in the office. Definitely not an Elon Musk type personality. He also doesn’t micromanage, so engineers won’t get direct requests from him.
      Nov 9
  • Cruise Automation Waygo
    Why not Cruise or Waymo? Did you try Cruise? It's a good option if you want financial stability and don't care about bit of a bad culture. Waymo does not pay as much as Cruise, and haven't hrd bad things about Waymo culture.
    Sep 25 1
    • Cruise Automation / Eng
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  • Argo AI UWCA
    Not to mention I've heard it's lit.
    Oct 2 1
    • Argo AI OmSo38
      It’s lit
      Oct 3
  • Drive.ai ei92Gk
    I think you’ll be fine if you choose either in terms of financial stability. Where do you see yourself having career growth?
    Sep 28 0
  • Facebook slsuguwv
    Congrats for the offers! How do offers look like?
    Sep 26 0
  • OP
    At present I have only 2 options and only a few days left to choose. So Waymo or Cruise are not an option at this point of time.
    Sep 25 0

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