Choose between Uber and google

Workday / Eng 1112
Apr 23, 2018 156 Comments

Got 2 offers,

Uber senior 2: TC 400k per year assume $40 per share Rsu

Google l4: TC 330k per year

I knew level wise Uber senior 2 is much better than google l4 which is not negotiable

But google is much closer for commute, better team gcp, better benefit, culture and prestige.

Wondering am I too weird if I refer google over Uber?

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  • Amazon / Eng
    Hooliganss

    Amazon Eng

    BIO
    AWS
    Hooliganssmore
    Being assured a solid team is huge. Would take Google. And, a shorter commute is nothing to sneeze at.
    Apr 23, 2018 1
  • Uber knbguiut
    L4 getting a L5b at Uber? Lololololo
    Apr 23, 2018 4
    • Uber Pir4te
      My thoughts exactly
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Google nobody.
      Yeah, seems odd. L5b seems significantly further ahead in terms of leadership
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Uber catesby
      Man I knew we’re desperate to hire. But didn’t realize shit was *this dire*.
      Apr 24, 2018
    • Uber Pir4te
      ^it really isn’t. We down level like crazy
      Apr 27, 2018
  • Akamai Technologies / Other Techrulez
    For those advising to take a job because of a higher level ranking/title... how important is a title outside of said organization? I personally would take better commute/benefits/pay.
    Apr 23, 2018 9
    • Amazon Gnostic
      Wrong. Next company you apply to will assume prior leveling of you as L4 was correct and that you agreed with it since you took the job. This impacts your career arc greatly. Never take a downleveled job even if pay sounds better.
      Apr 24, 2018
    • Akamai Technologies / Other QWERTee
      In my experience, you’re the one who’s “wrong”. Companies that want to hire you, if they think you’re a fit, will do just that. I have seen companies make up roles to get someone. In my experience, at most of the organizations I have worked at and know of, it has been irrelevant.
      Apr 24, 2018
    • Uber ZombieZoo
      Idealist. All companies want is to pay you less. And they will use any reasons to do so.
      Apr 24, 2018
    • New yhspz
      Not in my experience. To hire u into the company they will throw riches at you but once you are in it's much harder to get a raise. And yeah lvl doesn't mean much at all unless you are in mgmt.
      Apr 24, 2018
    • Uber s8t7kup
      I think it depends on the size. Big company will look at your level and use that. They don't need you that much. Smaller company won't care about your current level, if they want you, they will inflate your title of that's what it takes
      Apr 24, 2018
    • New yhspz
      I am confident that big companies, especially, look at past experience and technical ability to determine level. My current role has no particular title but I was still offered senior swe from uber...
      Apr 24, 2018
    • Uber s8t7kup
      Uber is a startup which has been "struggling" to attract talent recently. Hence the inflated title vs Google.

      Also if you come from a small startup, then yes title are meaningless. Years of experience will be what companies look at. If you come from a bigger company, title is more important than experience.

      So basically, if you move from/to a small company title doesn't matter much. If not then it does
      Apr 24, 2018
    • New yhspz
      Probably not much of a concern then, unless your heart is set on fang. How are you finding uber? Sounded a little sweat shopish from the devs I spoke to.. burn out must still be an issue.
      Apr 24, 2018
    • Uber s8t7kup
      I enjoyed my time at Google way more than my time at Uber. But salary wise Uber seems better (we will see after IPO).
      Now, I'm not burn out, I take plenty of vacation, but I feel the manquent is really bad and there is too much internal competition between teams
      Apr 24, 2018
  • Uber Dheos
    I’m from Uber and is advising you to go for Google because of better team... You can always come to Uber after your stint at Google. We love ex-Googlers!
    Apr 23, 2018 5
    • Uber Gmie27
      I agree with Dheos.
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Uber Dheos
      Steve got it right... It is Google vs Uber. And Google got better team according to OP... So Uber won’t be able to beat that anymore...
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Lyft Lki6790
      You Uber folks sure do love google...google tech that is
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Uber Dheos
      Don’t worry. We love Facebook, Apple, Netflix employees too... Basically all the FAANG people. Sometimes we love Lyft employees too. So you still got our love. 💖
      Apr 23, 2018
    • New xbbebe
      What about Doordash people.
      Dec 18, 2018
  • Apple / Eng Tim Book
    I would take Uber. Always take the higher level
    Apr 23, 2018 7
    • Oscar / Eng
      dumb|dumb

      Oscar Eng

      BIO
      Fuck you, but wats up bro.
      dumb|dumbmore
      Chaos
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Twitter bash312
      Why? Levels don’t match well between companies.
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Uber Gmie27
      Why? Level is just a label.
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Microsoft MjfZ
      Right, it is just a label. However, the next company will use that against you if you plan to move up the ladder
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Google / Eng OAGb68
      Label is sth the next company will take as ground truth.
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng Shampain
      It's a ladder
      Apr 24, 2018
    • Uber BlueApron
      Sr 2 is 2 levels above L4. You can decide on your own, how long will it take you to get 2 promotions at G?
      Apr 26, 2018
  • Google Westfield
    Uber secondary shares are at $33 and preferred share at $48. Since no one is getting preferred stock now, Wondering how did you get to $40? Was it just average of the two?
    Apr 23, 2018 5
    • New / Eng
      Unipate

      New Eng

      PRE
      Uber, Amazon
      BIO
      Code of the Road
      Unipatemore
      Uber recruiters will lie and misrepresent the share price. They did it to me.
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Microsoft Exity
      Uber said 80$ to me when I had joined
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Uber osEc88
      Recruiters sell the dream, 10x growth, millionaire, etc.
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Microsoft
      L62

      Microsoft

      PRE
      Amazon
      L62more
      Way too late for that.

      Uber should be giving out more though it sounds like.
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Uber Pir4te
      No ones selling the millionaire dream now lol. It’s much more realistic with the new comp structure
      Apr 27, 2018
  • Microsoft Bad Hombre
    How many years of experience?
    Apr 23, 2018 16
    • Microsoft Bad Hombre
      Never heard that before and I know people with less than that who are L5 at google.
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Google jxgX64
      Depends on where you are coming from.. Google can hire l5 with 5 yoe if you can demonstrate that in profile and interview
      Apr 23, 2018
    • LinkedIn
      Apagitnov

      LinkedIn

      PRE
      Amazon, Google
      Apagitnovmore
      Google l5 is the median/terminal level equivalent of other companies. As little as 3 yoe can get you there if you have good interview perf and counter offers.
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Google Eosng
      I had a friend with PhD and did two years of startup got T5 at Google when he joined
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Apple a1z2x3c4
      I think it depends on the kind of experience, domain specific background, interview performance, etc. I have seen PhDs with 4-5 years experience getting both L4 and L5 at Google.
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Google wEpu72
      Yea, I know ppl who worked for 11yeas without an advanced degree now is l6
      Apr 23, 2018
    • New nWAo15
      Go with Uber, reapply Google in 6 months for L5
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Airbnb pyVE35
      In general companies would rather put someone in too low of a level rather than too high of a level. You might be set up for a relatively quick promo and TC jump if you can demonstrate operation at an L5 level
      Apr 24, 2018
    • Amazon
      0382zzxjwo

      Amazon

      BIO
      Fuck you
      0382zzxjwomore
      Unless they’re a diversity higher..
      Apr 25, 2018
    • Uber ubergoog
      Being a recruiter at both companies, definitely go Uber. Systems design interview must have gone poorly @ Google. Interview again in 1-2 years and by that time your Uber equity will be close to liquidity
      Apr 26, 2018
  • Microsoft icode
    Google all the way. Best tech company m
    Apr 23, 2018 10
    • Uber Agjircf
      Google is too big these days to make an impact.
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Google Westfield
      Totally wrong. Lots of projects with high impact.
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Uber Agjircf
      Thats my experience with FB (an ex employee) and also some of my friends experience working with Google.
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Square / Eng SQ
      Impact is a bullshit buzzword smaller companies like to say to attract people.
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Uber ZombieZoo
      It depends. Fulfillment is what makes ppl stay. Digging shit and moving paper clips everyday for shorter commute and extra buck will make anyone depressed.
      Apr 24, 2018
    • Square / Eng SQ
      It's just an illusion though. Smaller companies keep saying impact but how do you quantify it? I worked at a startup where I was 70% of the iOS codebase. We had MAU of 3000. I would have had much more "impact" at a company where I was 1/100 of the iOS codebase but reaching ten million people.
      Apr 24, 2018
    • Uber ZombieZoo
      It's always tough for not established businesses. To me there is a critical mass when things become great. And then there is a greater critical mass when things turn from great to sucky. If there is a such thing as a startup within a bigger company then this is generally what makes that job better than ones around.

      I have nothing to complain at Uber. I don't work on the "bleeding edge" of things but my team is tiny and we create ripples across the company. If that weren't the case, I'd be a gonner long time ago. I don't see myself working anywhere but Uber or some small company. F G or any other monsters make me sick.
      Apr 24, 2018
    • Google Westfield
      We are a tiny team as well and we are creating ripples across the industry(one that we compete in). We are the fastest growing in out segment.
      Apr 24, 2018
    • Uber ZombieZoo
      How many other people at G can say that?
      Apr 24, 2018
    • Google Westfield
      Looking at the scale of so many products at G, there are lot of people who would say that. Of course there would be lot of people at G, who are not having much impact. But I think such people exist in all companies of decent size.
      Apr 24, 2018
  • Google / Product callofwild
    100% google, if you replaced Uber with almost any other major tech company, I would say probably that company.
    Apr 23, 2018 2
    • Google Facebook
      Unless you’ve replaced it with FB
      Apr 23, 2018
    • New yhspz
      I thought fb is another burn and churn similar to amzn/uber.
      Apr 24, 2018
  • Uber am no one
    What prestige does Google give you? 9 years of experience JUNIOR developer? It only make you look bad. You’re good not because you join Google (actually many people are not strong there), you’re good because you’re good.
    Apr 24, 2018 3
    • Workday / Eng 1112
      OP
      Yea I agree, Uber interviewed me technical + tech leadership which I did both well. But google is all coding ds algo, my good tech leadership and communication can not be demonstrated with such google interview much.
      Apr 24, 2018
    • Apple a1z2x3c4
      Didn’t you have more advanced System design like questions in Google? But probably Google doesn’t have anything specific for leadership skills. Also were you interviewing for roles with domain specific skills like machine learning, computer vision, etc?
      Apr 24, 2018
    • SK hynix / Eng Memory Sol
      This is what one of our guys got screwed on, an experienced domain expert interviewed by out of domain its on unrelated algo and then rejected.

      Come on, think about it, why would you use NP hard problem to interview firmware people?
      Apr 24, 2018
  • Facebook cluggsalot
    Choosing between Uber and google is like choking between a turd and a bar of gold.
    Apr 23, 2018 1
    • Lyft examazon
      Which one is which? What's Facebook?
      Jun 1, 2018
  • Microsoft wfhome
    Sounds like Google is more fun. Sometimes work is not just about money, but fun and convenience count a lot as well.
    Apr 23, 2018 1
    • Snapchat Aeeeyo
      Google more fun? That’s literally the opposite of why people leave google. All google lifers I have worked with have been deeply disappointing (non engineering) and massively low performing...must be all that fun then
      May 25, 2018
  • Uber jdJH54
    From a career and comp perspective Uber is a clear winner, 5b is a tough level to achieve so you must have interviewed well. But you should go with the company and team you are most excited about. I chose Uber over Google a few years ago and haven’t regretted it. The opportunities for growth and leadership are huge at Uber, and you are getting in pre-IPO. You can always go to Google later.
    Apr 25, 2018 0
  • Amazon w1n
    I'd be glad to provide my input but first, please, help me choose between poop or pizza for dinner 🙃
    Apr 23, 2018 3
    • Akamai Technologies / Other QWERTee
      Haha
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Google / Product callofwild
      Is the 💩 going to IPO soon?
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Oracle Yestheory
      Poopizza? You're welcome!
      Apr 23, 2018
  • Houseparty usenthrow
    Going from l4 to l6 at Google will take five years and the l5 to 6 jump is difficult. Also l4 and l6 are just very different jobs. I would never join as a 4 if I was a 6 in an equivalent company, and Uber and Google are equivalent engineering organizations in terms of Junior level talent
    Apr 23, 2018 0
  • Uber TpBJ35
    I wouldn't say that G culture is better. At Uber the scope of projects and ability to influence them would be much larger. I would never go back to G despites the much better perks.
    Apr 23, 2018 2
    • Snapchat Aeeeyo
      How much better are the perks? I’m thinking of taking my Uber offer but still doing some dd
      May 25, 2018
    • Uber TpBJ35
      Google has a better travel policy. Better food. They pay your base for the family if you die. Uber has unlimited vacation policy which is awesome.
      May 25, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng Ksiwuehfbr
    Go to Uber - huge growth potential!
    Apr 23, 2018 0
  • Salesforce geoduck
    I would bring that uber offer to Google and negotiate for L5 and a better TC. With you 9 yoe and a Senior 2 offer from Uber, it is clear that you are being low balled by Google. If they don't negotiate, just walk away with the uber offer.
    Apr 23, 2018 0
  • Uber Agjircf
    Google l4 is 2 level below Uber Sr 2. I would take Uber.
    Apr 23, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Exity
    Google
    Apr 23, 2018 0
  • Uber EbonyLove
    Go to google and come back in 2 years when you’re still L4 and tell us how good of a decision that was... 😒
    Apr 26, 2018 2
    • Uber SlRS47
      I've seen a couple of cases when someone got promotes quickly to 5a at Uber and could only get T4 at fb and Google. You can put whatever face value for your ladder but the market is efficient enough and will eventually figure out.
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Uber EbonyLove
      He’s 5b tho
      Apr 26, 2018
  • Uber QeeH78
    Uber
    Apr 23, 2018 0
  • Google iegb37
    The higher level counts for a lot. Take it.the Google offer will be valid for a while. However I would move close to the office. A better commute is worth a lot more than you realize
    Apr 23, 2018 3
    • Microsoft wfhome
      How long will the Google offer be valid for? And will they be willing to redo the leveling?
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Google UBdG56
      No they definitely will not redo leveling (unless you interview again and there are changes). Should be valid for a year pending team match. Comp renegotiation will also be tough, but I think I’ve heard it’s possible.
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Microsoft wfhome
      Cool thanks for the info. Sounds right to me.
      Apr 23, 2018
  • Uber SlRS47
    Uber's eng ladder is getting inflated quickly so in the future it's 5b may not be worth as much.
    Apr 25, 2018 0
  • Google / Eng kfdu
    Fwiw, 330k is super high for L4, and I would say even higher than 60-70% of L5 offers if not more. So you are certainly getting L5 level pay.
    Apr 23, 2018 3
    • Uber Eropie
      I know two friends joined last year at L4 getting 330-350 range. Seems to be a norm for high end L4s.
      Apr 23, 2018
    • Google / Eng fasttimes
      I also agree that this is super high. Most, if not all, L5s I know make less than this.
      Apr 24, 2018
    • LinkedIn mrpoopybut
      Have you adjusted your numbers for the stock price increases of basically all of the FANG companies? I'm finding at LinkedIn that the numbers are much higher than I thought they were last year, and I attribute that to the big stock price increase. You have to keep in mind that other people experienced the same increase so when they're negotiating offers their current pay is already inflated and thus the offer gets inflated.
      Apr 24, 2018
  • Palantir / Eng McCollum
    I would choose Goober in this situation
    Apr 24, 2018 0
  • Facebook / Eng
    fb2017

    Facebook Eng

    PRE
    Google, Oracle
    BIO
    worked at Oracle, then Google, now Facebook.
    fb2017more
    Considering the level, I would say uber is better choice here.
    Apr 24, 2018 0
  • Google / Eng googmon
    When you get to this level of money, the non-monetary aspects start mattering a lot more. I'd give up an extra Tesla per year for a good team and commute (though of course commute can be solved with money).
    Apr 23, 2018 0
  • Intel radio1
    Less commute and better benefits are important plus Google has much better reputation.
    Apr 24, 2018 1
    • Uber deOz08
      You don’t event know what the level means, do you?
      Apr 25, 2018
  • Amazon / Mgmt
    SrWho

    Amazon Mgmt

    PRE
    Verizon
    SrWhomore
    Go to uber. Stay there 2 years. Then move to Google
    Apr 23, 2018 1
    • Uber Dheos
      Or go to Uber and stay until IPO (1 year) before going to Google. 💪🏻
      Apr 23, 2018
  • Twitter / Eng pdbr
    Uber
    Apr 24, 2018 0
  • Synopsys / Design
    immislave

    Synopsys Design

    BIO
    Vlsi verification emulation architecture
    immislavemore
    I have nothing constructive to add except for how tiny us hw guys salaries feel. Sw is stratospheric
    Apr 23, 2018 0
  • Google Stayc
    It’s which company you believe in. I obviously would pick Google
    Apr 23, 2018 0
  • Splunk 🐱 khvf
    Google at these numbers. Assume you perform at a 5/6 level, you'll be promoted quickly and hit 450+ real money. I'd ask for 500+ from Uber if you're leaning towards Google since it can't hurt
    Apr 30, 2018 4
    • Uber knbguiut
      😂
      May 1, 2018
    • Microsoft wfhome
      Google L5 could get 450k? That sounds very unlikely. Maybe for the top 1% of L5s.
      May 1, 2018
    • Splunk 🐱 khvf
      He's starting with a great L4 base. Add a promo and a refresh and it's low 400s easy.

      Add a second refresh and it's ~450+ easy
      May 1, 2018
    • splunk’s TC is 210k and he is an L4 but listen to his wisdom pls guys
      Nov 9, 2018
  • Uber / Other
    lyftdude

    Uber Other

    PRE
    Amazon
    BIO
    Bug writer
    lyftdudemore
    I feel so sad I traded google t5 for Uber eng 1 three years ago.
    Apr 24, 2018 2
    • Google iegb37
      How did that even happen. Are you senior at Uber now?
      Apr 25, 2018
    • Why not go back to google then? It is a much better position
      Jun 1, 2018
  • Amazon highrent
    How many years of experience do you have btw?
    Apr 24, 2018 1
    • Uber ZombieZoo
      Lazy to read above?
      Apr 24, 2018
  • Microsoft Bad Robot
    Take real money over paper one!
    Apr 23, 2018 1
    • Uber ZombieZoo
      This I agree with. Would never pick G over U except for this factor. And then I would suffer and leave in a year.
      Apr 24, 2018
  • Uber ZombieZoo
    Attach the vote buttons.
    Apr 24, 2018 1
    • Workday / Eng 1112
      OP
      Added a vote on the top
      Apr 24, 2018
  • Facebook / Eng
    fb2017

    Facebook Eng

    PRE
    Google, Oracle
    BIO
    worked at Oracle, then Google, now Facebook.
    fb2017more
    Under 5a to 5b should be much easier
    Apr 25, 2018 0
  • Amazon pure666
    What’s the base at uber? This should be a factor cause uber rsu is still paper money.
    Apr 23, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng
    Evvgsfb

    Amazon Eng

    BIO
    Data Engineer at Amazon
    Evvgsfbmore
    Better check it on Google.com - which one is better...😉
    Apr 23, 2018 0
  • Facebook Poswcoiner
    Facebook!
    Apr 23, 2018 0
  • Google luobote
    Omg how's this even possible
    Apr 29, 2018 3
    • Workday / Eng 1112
      OP
      What u mean?
      Apr 30, 2018
    • Google luobote
      No offense I'm just really surprised to see user offering 5b which is Google staff level equivalent. Did you do extremely well in your uber interview or have some special skills thats very valuable to uber? Or did you just bomb one of your Google interviews to get down leveled.
      Apr 30, 2018
    • Workday / Eng 1112
      OP
      No system design round for google interview, and I am lazy to keep leetcode and prepare another l5 onsite
      May 1, 2018
  • Workday / Eng 1112
    OP
    How to compare google l5 with Uber 5b, which one is harder to get promoted? How about google l6 and Uber staff?
    Apr 25, 2018 3
    • Microsoft ZuckB
      Uber 5b is google’s T6, it’s very hard to go from T5 to T6 at google. Most people never make it.
      Apr 25, 2018
    • Workday / Eng 1112
      OP
      So Uber 5a to 5b is as hard as google l5 to l6?
      Apr 25, 2018
    • Microsoft ZuckB
      Uber is much smaller and has been growing at a faster rate in recent years. In such environments it’s usually easier to get ownership of a project with wider scope, have higher impact and consequently get promoted faster. So my guess is so far it’s been easier at Uber, but Uber has become somewhat mature now too so no telling how it will be in future.
      Apr 25, 2018
  • Apple a1z2x3c4
    Are there RSU refreshes and cash bonus at Uber? If so, how it compares with Google.
    Apr 23, 2018 1
    • Uber / Eng roadtoipo
      For L5B the cash bonus is $30k. Stock refresh is about highly variable but at least $100k over 3 years.
      Apr 25, 2018
  • Microsoft Elon'sMusk
    FML, why is my TC so low in comparison?
    Apr 23, 2018 1
    • Google Westfield
      Join any of the FANGs and you should be in this range.
      Apr 23, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng Caravanan
    What did you end up doing OP? I'm in nearly the same boat now and your feedback will be super helpful.
    Nov 7, 2018 0
  • Google hedgeit
    330k is high for Google l4
    May 16, 2018 0
  • Microsoft AIsO62
    What is your google breakdown?
    Apr 24, 2018 0
  • Amazon Glug
    I'd say take Google. It's a safer company with a brighter future. The great commute and better benefits would more than make up for the pay diff
    Apr 23, 2018 0

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