Confused by the migrant crisis in US

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Jun 27 65 Comments

I’m a blue Democrat. I think Trump is a menace. But I’m confused by what is being reported in the news about the migrant crisis.

That image of the father and daughter is tragic and heartbreakjng. But the media is blaming Trump’s policies.

If someone comes to the border seeing asylum, currently we make them wait in Mexico or wait in detainment camps within the US. I don’t see how this is unfair. Should we just let everyone who seeks entry into the US roam free? I just don’t understand what the alternative is.

And why do asylum seekers get to choose which country they can seek asylum in? They needed to pass through 4 countries including the entirety of Mexico to get to the US border. Why is staying in Mexico not good enough? The language and culture are more similar. It seemed like this family was fixated on getting into the US. Should they really have that right?

Last month 144,000 migrants were detained at the Southern border with Mexico. Are people actually suggesting we accept all 144,000 and let them roam free in the US without worries?

Isnt it more productive to let H1B and Green Card applicants have this same luxury since they already have jobs?

Interested in a respectful open minded debate, not a politicized battle.

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TOP 65 Comments
  • Amazon / Eng thanos_
    You are absolutely right. No country wants illegal immigrants
    Jun 27 10
    • Uber bаg
      OP
      As per another post below, 75% of requests are rejected. I assume that with this surge of 100,000+ applicants that percentage of denied applicants will increase as well, with many more not being real asylum seekers.
      Jun 27
    • Amazon Coatl
      "Why should asylum seekers be allowed to go to whichever country they want?"

      Because they are fleeing something, it shouldn't be up to anyone but them to decide when they should feel safe or not. I know the US denied Asylum claims before WW2 to Jews fleeing Nazi Germany, I honestly don't know what was the rationale for those denials, but imagine if the rationale was, "They can go to Poland or France and be safe, they shouldn't come al the way here."

      On the other hand, this is supposed to be the Land of the Free, right? That can be interpreted in two ways, "This is a land where everyone living in it is free" or "This is a land for those who seek and value freedom". Americans, tell me which one is your country.
      Jun 27
    • Uber bаg
      OP
      Are you housing asylum seekers at your place of residence?
      Jun 27
    • Amazon Coatl
      Is there a way for me to do that? Please share.
      Jun 27
    • Intel Marx24
      Should we also in the same light discuss the reasons for such poverty and destitution in the global south is due to the policies we espouse. We should discuss these policies and in a democratic country seriously vote against them.
      Jun 27
  • Lyft done2
    Oh, this one’s thinking for himself. This could be dangerous
    Jun 27 0
  • Imagine the plight of those who have migrated legally after such a long and tedious process.

    Even though I hate trump, what he is doing here is absolutely legitimate and should be done.
    Jun 27 5
    • Oracle fandantan
      If you migrated legally, not seeking asylum, it wasn’t much of a plight. Arriving via airplane and having to live with roomates while you find a 6 figure job and how to pursue a master’s degree on Uber’s dime, is not a plight. It’s an adventure only few privileged, like us, go through.
      Jun 27
    • Do you know how much of wealth was pledged to pay for the education and living expenses here?

      It is indeed a plight. And, the government doesn't give you a visa straight up. They make you apply twice. Which means that is a thousand bucks extra.

      Isn't this a plight? Shouldn't he be legally entitled to what he should get paid after going through all this?
      Jun 27
    • Oracle fandantan
      Sure it is a “plight”. An inconvenience. But not a life and death situation nor a dangerous or difficult trek either. And like any immigration officer is the US (or the world) will tell you about entering their country: Entering the US is a privilege, not a right. He decided to invest in the US on his own volition, this government doesn’t owe you, or him, or me, or any other immigrant, anything other than basic human rights. If any government owes him anything other than the minimum it would be his own home country’s assuming he was a law abiding and tax paying citizen. I went through the same “plight” you describe and it has been worth every penny and every visa, and I had to get at least 12 visas to get to my residency. It’s been 15 years and still no citizenship, however, not complaining, happy to have been given the chance and the privilege to live and contribute to this society, even when it includes racists, serial killers, and other people who are suffering and acting out. I volunteer as much as I can to help those in need because by doing so I help myself.
      Jun 27
    • Groupon / Eng sleepy
      @fandantan most of the US immigrants come because of their family connections. Now rerun your scenarios with six figure jobs keeping that in mind.
      Jun 27
    • Oracle fandantan
      No need to re-run. That’s my very own scenario. No sure what your point is?
      Jun 27
  • Zillow Group ipoop
    What confuses me is why they aren't treated as refugees, and instead are undergoing asylum procedures. Asylum is meant for people escaping widespread persecution, genocide, war, etc. Not for those seeking economic opportunities.
    Jun 27 7
    • Lyft done2
      I’m talking about the total number that eventually receive Valid asylum claims versus the total amount of people that cross any given time period. This is the relevant metric to understand the legality of the migration currently underway
      Jun 27
    • Zillow Group ipoop
      Dude, 28% is still low.
      Jun 27
    • Zillow Group ipoop
      My point is that most aren't being persecuted.
      Jun 27
    • Amazon Coatl
      Not being able to prove you're being persecuted and not being persecuted are different things though.
      Jun 27
    • Lyft done2
      You got a remember the US government is the one who is defining these things that’s where the debate is. The legal Ramifications of the democratic proposals basically state that nowhere in the hemisphere is safe outside of the US and Canada the ass anyone on the continent could claim asylum here
      Jun 27
  • Google Flygun
    Democrats want slaves who can bear low wages, not those h1b holders who "steals high paying jobs from American people".
    Republicans want no one other than WASPs, no matter you are asian, muslim or southern American.

    Both party doesn't do good, it's really a tragedy that US people have to choose from them, instead of some other compromised party taking all the good.
    Jun 27 6
    • Lyft done2
      Yeah that’s really unfair characterization Republicans. I mean look at trumps new immigration proposal, it’s all merit based in it reduces the impact of quotas. I mean African-Americans and Hispanics are some of the fastest growing segment of the Trump base, If it was only wasps it be a much easier to defeat LOL
      Jun 27
    • Google Flygun
      wasp=white anglo saxon protestant. American first!
      Jun 27
    • Google Flygun
      Done2 - yes I have to admit Trump's immigration revamp is good for h1b holders. Thats the only reason I favor republican than democrats. But generally they are promoting white supremacy among the society which makes it a dilemma to choose.
      Jun 27
    • Lyft done2
      Man, just because you say something doesn’t mean it’s true. The left stirring up a bogus and media narrative around racism. But I challenge you to actually prove that the party or Trump is systematically races. It’s just nothing there
      Jun 27
    • Republicans only want WASPs?
      Total bull shit.
      You need to diversify your information sources badly.
      Jul 18
  • Oracle fandantan
    A lot do seek asylum in Mexico. Some of those who don’t are chasing the American dream, can’t blame them for that. A lot of others chose the US because they have family or ties in the US and not in Mexico. An alternative is releasing them to their relatives while they await trial - I believe this has been done in the past. Catch and release. And yes, many go off the radar after that for obvious reasons. Another alternative is putting the kids, at least the kids, in foster homes during this time. And yes, this is also a form of separation. Some refugees, like those from Cuba or from Venezuela at the moment get special treatment, immediate asylum and sometimes even temporary housing and an stipend and help to integrate, given their very grave situation in their countries. I know of 2 refugees seeking asylum from Mexico because of domestic violence tied to the drug war in Mexico. They got asylum and a place to live, their kids too obviously, and in a few years they were fully integrated in society serving as nurses, a well paid and understaffed profession in the US. Win-win. The kids are pursuing STEM careers with full ride scholarships. Again, high probability those are going to turn out winners and future Blind contributors too. Every case is different but there are buckets and blanket asylum rules too like with Venezuela at the moment.
    Jun 27 3
    • Uber bаg
      OP
      144,000 this month sought asylum in the US. That’s in a single month. Those are the ones who didn’t seek asylum in Mexico. So even with that, there’s a ton of people trying to make their way into the US.

      For all your anecdotes there are many anecdotes of criminal behavior as well.

      I think it makes sense to keep the asylum seekers out of the US until their application is processed. At 100,000 per month that’s simply too many to handle.
      Jun 27
    • Groupon / Eng sleepy
      What’s a lot? How many exactly?
      Jun 27
    • Uber bаg
      OP
      100,000 is a lot.
      Jun 27
  • Citadel lda
    144000 per month. Strategically placed, this is like an AOC and an Omar every month. The democrats must be drowning in there own drool.
    Jun 27 0
  • Oracle DjWaleBabu
    The problem is with asylum laws, which are several decades old and do not apply in current environment. If you advertise that you have free stuff, people will come.
    Jun 27 0
  • Oracle gJdz41
    There are indian people on H1B visas who have been in country for more than 10 years. Paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes so far and still at the mercy of the employer. If they get laid off they have to go back to the country.
    Jun 27 2
    • Oracle fandantan
      Boo hoo. There are Venezuelans who don’t have anything to eat or medicine to treat their illnesses.
      Jun 27
    • Uber bаg
      OP
      They can seek asylum in many countries in South America.
      Jun 27
  • Amazon UUVv22
    Welcome to the club! Just a matter of time before the presumed real blue democrats - the libtards - come out with knives and spears and shower their glorious superlatives at you.
    Jun 27 0
  • Netflix / Eng LoveDeathR
    All it takes is some common sense. Common sense our president has but Democrats ridicule. I can't understand half of the country is so stupid to support democraps.
    Jun 28 2
    • Axon 40w range
      There is no way this ends well.
      Jun 28
    • Oracle fandantan
      I do believe a subset of dems and reps ridicule. But that doesn’t make all reps and all dems ridiculous. Both reps and dems who ridicule are sad, abused, victims inflicting the same pain they received.
      Jun 29
  • Google s8G1mY
    I agree. Camps are a necessity when a small town suddenly shows up. That's not to say they don't have problems (like how it somehow costs ~$700 per head per day but there's no soap or toothpaste), but all I'm seeing on news sites and Twitter is hysteria and hyperbole instead of pragmatic solutions.

    Mixing news and social media was a mistake.
    Jun 27 0
  • Uber gucciM
    Also a moderate Democrat here and kinda disgusted by watching the debates and seeing how all the dem candidates are willing to throw us our notion of a country away. Illegal immigration is illegal, there’s nothing wrong with Trump (executive branch) doing his job and enforcing the law. If they have a problem with the law, work on the legislative branch. Most Americans are decent people but not in favor of total open borders
    Jun 27 2
    • Oath Atinlay2
      They’re willing to tear the constitution up just because they hate Trump. TDS is real
      Jun 28
    • Netflix mr.clippy
      On rare occasions I’m forced to agree with @Atinly2.

      I think these candidates need to tread carefully. If they cross over to too much extremes, they are going to come across as completely detached and lose independents. Lose independents, and you lose the election. People will stick with Trump, even though they hate him.
      Jun 28
  • Netflix mr.clippy
    A bit more context here. Until recently, Mexico and all countries south of it freely let these migrants through. They don’t want to deal with them. They don’t have refugee camps for them. They want them gone. So they come directly here where it’s safer.

    We clearly can’t support them at our border prisons. It doesn’t make sense ripping families apart and imprisoning them. And likewise it doesn’t make a lot of sense letting them roam free until their court date either. So I’m with you there.

    The issue up to now is the terrible and inhuman way they’ve been treated in our makeshift border prisons, exasperated by Trumps policies to criminalize it. Trump owns this.

    Hopefully they’ll be treated better in Mexico and a more sane asylum policy will come out of this.

    The fiasco is now the House and Trump are demanding their own solutions to address this problem.
    Jun 27 6
    • Netflix mr.clippy
      Well. Sending all current asylum seekers back to Mexico might be a bit much. Let’s see how it goes. But enough is enough with the current influx. Happy Trump is putting pressure on Mexico to secure their own southern border.

      Asylum seekers need to apply at the nearest neighboring country. If they want the US specifically, There’s a process to do this from any country.
      Jun 27
    • Lyft done2
      Doesn’t anyone recognize the fallacies or at least the unspoken premise of this argument. We’re basically saying nowhere except the US and Canada is a safe place in this hemisphere. We’re basically saying up to 1 billion people can get asylum in the US and all of the benefits that entails. I mean come on
      Jun 27
    • Netflix mr.clippy
      The US has annual caps for asylum seekers. We’ve stuck to that ~80k per year limit for a while but it changes per region depending on current events. I suppose we’re making exceptions now with this border crisis.

      So no. The US can’t take anyone. We can only accept a quota.

      Relevant sources to read.

      https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/refugees-and-asylees-united-states#Refugee_Admission_Ceiling
      Jun 27
    • Lyft done2
      Well the caps don’t really have much for bearing on how many people were admitting every month. What were at 100 and something per month at this point
      Jun 27
    • Netflix mr.clippy
      I know. The caps are borked this year. Shits gotta stop.
      Jun 27
  • LinkedIn Wiener
    How do you make them wait out of the country? Building a wall?

    I have gone through TN, H1B, PERM, LCA etc and waiting for my priority date to be current. I’m not going to switch job before my GC because I don’t want any of those shits any more. Compliance is time-consuming, difficult and expensive and that must be the same for asylum seekers. We have 10M+ illegals because the laws are too difficult in this country.
    Jun 27 2
    • Uber bаg
      OP
      Are you basically saying we should decrease conplianxe requirements and let anyone who wants to come into the country come in?
      Jun 27
    • LinkedIn Wiener
      I am not suggesting anything here. The effect of harsh laws/compliance is that there will be more illegals and law-breaking activities.

      If the picture of the dead father and baby bothers you, then you should ask why they attempted to swim across a perilous river vs going through the legal process of asylum.

      I actually like Trump supporters who simply say that we are a selfish nation and we are a selfish people, and let them take their risks and pay with their lives and we are not going to make it easy for them to come here. Build the wall and let them go through even more perilous journeys and more of such tragedies will happen for sure.
      Jun 27
  • TripAdvisor owlwise
    Why are 144,000 showing up under Trump? What did Obama do?

    How about we get our allies together to support these countries so they don't show up and can stay in their country?
    Jun 27 0
  • Microsoft iiieeegemm
    The issue is they are being treated like criminals which in turn is the reason for the family seperation.

    Instead of doing that just detain them humanly so the families can stay together.
    Jun 27 1
    • Uber bаg
      OP
      Detaining costs us a lot of money. Better to make them wait out of the country so that they are free to move about.
      Jun 27
  • LinkedIn cd-
    Anyone who looks healthy enough to pick fruits should be allowed in. We’ll have buses lining the streets ready to ship them to wherever the seasonal jobs are.

    After they’re injected a cocktail of vaccines to make them all dumb and stuff so they’ll vote republicans.
    Jun 27 0