I’m a blue Democrat. I think Trump is a menace. But I’m confused by what is being reported in the news about the migrant crisis. That image of the father and daughter is tragic and heartbreakjng. But the media is blaming Trump’s policies. If someone comes to the border seeing asylum, currently we make them wait in Mexico or wait in detainment camps within the US. I don’t see how this is unfair. Should we just let everyone who seeks entry into the US roam free? I just don’t understand what the alternative is. And why do asylum seekers get to choose which country they can seek asylum in? They needed to pass through 4 countries including the entirety of Mexico to get to the US border. Why is staying in Mexico not good enough? The language and culture are more similar. It seemed like this family was fixated on getting into the US. Should they really have that right? Last month 144,000 migrants were detained at the Southern border with Mexico. Are people actually suggesting we accept all 144,000 and let them roam free in the US without worries? Isnt it more productive to let H1B and Green Card applicants have this same luxury since they already have jobs? Interested in a respectful open minded debate, not a politicized battle.
Oh, this one’s thinking for himself. This could be dangerous
Imagine the plight of those who have migrated legally after such a long and tedious process. Even though I hate trump, what he is doing here is absolutely legitimate and should be done.
If you migrated legally, not seeking asylum, it wasn’t much of a plight. Arriving via airplane and having to live with roomates while you find a 6 figure job and how to pursue a master’s degree on Uber’s dime, is not a plight. It’s an adventure only few privileged, like us, go through.
Do you know how much of wealth was pledged to pay for the education and living expenses here? It is indeed a plight. And, the government doesn't give you a visa straight up. They make you apply twice. Which means that is a thousand bucks extra. Isn't this a plight? Shouldn't he be legally entitled to what he should get paid after going through all this?
Welcome to the club! Just a matter of time before the presumed real blue democrats - the libtards - come out with knives and spears and shower their glorious superlatives at you.
Democrats want slaves who can bear low wages, not those h1b holders who "steals high paying jobs from American people". Republicans want no one other than WASPs, no matter you are asian, muslim or southern American. Both party doesn't do good, it's really a tragedy that US people have to choose from them, instead of some other compromised party taking all the good.
WASP?
Yeah that’s really unfair characterization Republicans. I mean look at trumps new immigration proposal, it’s all merit based in it reduces the impact of quotas. I mean African-Americans and Hispanics are some of the fastest growing segment of the Trump base, If it was only wasps it be a much easier to defeat LOL
A lot do seek asylum in Mexico. Some of those who don’t are chasing the American dream, can’t blame them for that. A lot of others chose the US because they have family or ties in the US and not in Mexico. An alternative is releasing them to their relatives while they await trial - I believe this has been done in the past. Catch and release. And yes, many go off the radar after that for obvious reasons. Another alternative is putting the kids, at least the kids, in foster homes during this time. And yes, this is also a form of separation. Some refugees, like those from Cuba or from Venezuela at the moment get special treatment, immediate asylum and sometimes even temporary housing and an stipend and help to integrate, given their very grave situation in their countries. I know of 2 refugees seeking asylum from Mexico because of domestic violence tied to the drug war in Mexico. They got asylum and a place to live, their kids too obviously, and in a few years they were fully integrated in society serving as nurses, a well paid and understaffed profession in the US. Win-win. The kids are pursuing STEM careers with full ride scholarships. Again, high probability those are going to turn out winners and future Blind contributors too. Every case is different but there are buckets and blanket asylum rules too like with Venezuela at the moment.
144,000 this month sought asylum in the US. That’s in a single month. Those are the ones who didn’t seek asylum in Mexico. So even with that, there’s a ton of people trying to make their way into the US. For all your anecdotes there are many anecdotes of criminal behavior as well. I think it makes sense to keep the asylum seekers out of the US until their application is processed. At 100,000 per month that’s simply too many to handle.
What’s a lot? How many exactly?
I agree. Camps are a necessity when a small town suddenly shows up. That's not to say they don't have problems (like how it somehow costs ~$700 per head per day but there's no soap or toothpaste), but all I'm seeing on news sites and Twitter is hysteria and hyperbole instead of pragmatic solutions. Mixing news and social media was a mistake.
What confuses me is why they aren't treated as refugees, and instead are undergoing asylum procedures. Asylum is meant for people escaping widespread persecution, genocide, war, etc. Not for those seeking economic opportunities.
I don’t know, maybe because 98% of them don’t get asylum claims in the end? Or the fact that this is a massive cartel sponsored human smuggling business operation?, Or the fact that children are being swapped around amongst non-relatives in over 10% of the cases? I mean how naïve do you really expect everyone to be?
If you're stating that asylum system is being abused, then I agree. My point is - keep these people in refugee camps and send them home if they can't prove that they are under targeted physical threat in their home country.
The problem is with asylum laws, which are several decades old and do not apply in current environment. If you advertise that you have free stuff, people will come.
There are indian people on H1B visas who have been in country for more than 10 years. Paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes so far and still at the mercy of the employer. If they get laid off they have to go back to the country.
You are absolutely right. No country wants illegal immigrants
Technically, asylum seekers aren’t illegal immigrants. Those shouldn’t be conflated. But my question is why shouldn’t they be told to stay outside the country until their applications are processed?
Cry me a river. If these so-called asylum seekers from central America were fleeing persecution, they would stop in Mexico and ask for asylum there. These people are economic migrants abusing US laws.