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  • Amazon / Eng
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    What a loser.
    Jan 8, 2018 14
    • LinkedIn 1c3M@n☃️
      At. Will. Employment. He hurt Google’s image and that meant talent — male or female — may not want to work for the company. Viewpoints and extrapolations are irrelevant. Actions have consequences. The company fired him to avoid the bigger dumpster fire where other employees would either refuse to work with this guy and continue to shine the spotlight on him (not to mention anyone that would publicly support him at Google would be risking their own livelihood). Again, it is at will employment. This guy nuked his career and no company HR is going to touch him. Google isn’t going to settle for any significant monetary amount. Poor idiot totally destroyed any long term career options for tech at least. Don’t feel sorry for him in the least.
      Jan 8, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng Alto
      You think the rest of America cares are even knows about the valley drama? News flash no one gives a shit. Most people don't know who Travis is or his drama and most people don't care who this ex Google employee was. They might read a couple headlines then forget about it in a month. This guy is not going to cause Google to lose millions from lost users (lol). His best hope is wasting enough of their time to where it's not worth it for them.
      Jan 8, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng Alto
      Make half of the us despise Google. Lmao honestly that was the funniest thing I've read in a while.
      Jan 8, 2018
    • Cisco / Eng Mylady
      I think there is a difference between expressing an opinion and insisting on it if you get the feedback that you have just offended someone. I once suggested that a woman from the black scientists list was white. I thought maybe it was an honest mistake that she has got on a list because her skin color was clearly pale. Well, those who grew up in US and know what an issue it is with the self-identity and how people of mixed race are often not accepted by either races. Of course my suggestion deeply affected another woman of color, a friend of the mentioned scientist. What did I do when I realized that my opinion offended someone, even though I didn't intend it? Of course I apologized. And I humbly asked to explain, because I wanted to learn more about why what I said was upsetting. And indeed I learned a lot. So at the end there was no drama, there was merely a conversation. If Damor ever apologized and was eager to listen rather than cherry pick the data that he thought conveniently proving his viewpoint, well... we probably wouldn't have heard about him and the manifesto never happened.
      Jan 8, 2018
    • SAP Toota
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      Google was able to fire him because he clearly violated its code of conduct (dont know exactly what Google has but most companies thread the same line) which is - hurting sentiments by offending a lot of other employees. Toxic enough to fire
      Jan 8, 2018
  • New / Product
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    Made out to be evil by the fake news media. Listen to any of his interviews, or better yet, read the actual memo then draw your own conclusions. This was actually the story that made me stop trusting mainstream news. This guy did nothing wrong. It’s dangerous to have your own ideas these days in the Bay Area.
    Jan 8, 2018 14
    • Facebook / Eng Alto
      Im not taking offense to the word. I'm taking offense to him attempting to gloss over how inaccurate of a "science" psychology is and attempt to paint one group as biologically more likely to have x personality traits. Beliefs like this shouldn't be continued to be treated as fact especially when in modern day more and more information is coming out about how much environment changes/defines people. It's like saying women are more likely to like pink biologically. No the simpler more evidence based answer is that we set up our own rules on society. Once you decide girls like pink they mostly like pink. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

      There's a reason why other countries have many more females in tech.
      Jan 8, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng LMvL64
      your premise is wrong. there are more women in tech coming from india and bangladesh than from sweden or norway. why do you think that is the case?

      btw why are women not going to high paying jobs such as offshore drilling or even jobs that are not very physically demanding such as plumbing or garbage collection. even in tech industry most american women (and american men) are in jobs that have less to do with coding and more with people skills.
      Jan 8, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng LMvL64
      and the answer to my questions is that more a country develops, more are the professional choices to its citizens to make a decent living and higher would be the gender gaps. you are chasing the wrong problem. if you want this gap to be fixed, system must be bent to make most professions economically unviable and highly risky as is the case in most developing countries. good luck making america that to bridge tech gender gap.
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng Alto
      How is a link showing that girl's performance in math is very close to boys yet they think they are much worse then that help your argument? If anything it's strengthening the idea that there is something in society we can change to make them feel more confident.
      Jan 9, 2018
  • Apple / Eng FkEt5
    I just finished reading the whole class action suit filed with the court. The screenshots are pretty damning with the blacklists and managers actively undermining employee promotions due to conservative views on public internal forums. Google do no evil motto clearly only applies to what is convenient to the company. Google under their new CEO Pichai is getting more evil by the second. It’s turning into an Indian company just like Microsoft. All white and/or males should just quit.
    Jan 8, 2018 9
    • Facebook Sona
      There case has a lot of weaknesses but sounds compelling at the same time
      Jan 8, 2018
    • Microsoft Bytecoin
      It’s not illegal to blacklist conservatives.

      Oh I love it when Republicans complain about their lack of workplace rights...😂😂😂
      Jan 8, 2018
    • Facebook Sona
      Actually it is illegal
      Jan 8, 2018
    • Google zen☯️
      Isn't it only illegal in California?
      Jan 8, 2018
    • Uber / Eng
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      What page shows the blacklists?
      Jan 8, 2018
  • Microsoft
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    I am not sure why anyone who follows an evil ideology (republicanism) would expect a place for them at a company whose motto is “don’t be evil”
    Jan 8, 2018 5
    • Facebook Sona
      This is asinine
      Jan 8, 2018
    • Amazon muffin man
      "I'm so loving and tolerant of all people... But fuck you if your opinion is different than mine!"
      Jan 8, 2018
    • Facebook Sona
      I’m not even republican and I’m saying this is stupid
      Jan 8, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng LMvL64
      who knew that antifa members have brain to crack msft.
      Jan 8, 2018
    • Lyft littiste
      this is exactly why msft is a joke lmao
      Jan 9, 2018
  • General Motors / Eng RCwa76
    What a fucking chotch. He writes a shitpost about how women are less suited for tech because they're just ~naturally more neurotic~, couches it in neutral sounding language, and circulates it at work and then he wonders why many of his co-workers are upset that he basically implied they should not hold the positions they hold? And then wonders why such a move is considered bad for a work environment?
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    • Facebook / Eng LMvL64
      beef thats a stupid argument. the whole point is that he was digging in the right direction. i suggest you to re-read the original memo with citations and figures(not the purged one that many news channels circulated to make it appear as not backed by sources).
      Jan 8, 2018
    • Apple / Eng
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      Oh I’ve read it. There’s just a fine tuned sensibility of understanding how people will interpret your words. It’s a pretty clear no-go zone to write that stuff and circulate it at work.
      Jan 8, 2018
    • Facebook Sona
      I have 0 expectations of engineers w.r.t. to social norms and understanding how people feel
      Jan 8, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng LMvL64
      true that. zuck did make facemash. every one knows about larry ellison and steve jobs did claim impotence to disown his own child. welcome to the world of creeps and psychos
      Jan 8, 2018
    • Apple / Eng
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      Nah. Smile and nod (then vote Trump when you’re anonymous in the polls).

      Be careful what you attach your name to. The internet is forever.
      Jan 8, 2018
  • Google / Eng sergey
    What a stable genius!
    Jan 8, 2018 0
  • Facebook Sona
    That is one ugly face
    Jan 8, 2018 16
    • Zoosk / Eng Concast
      UPenn is private and is actually part of the Ivy League. Not quite sure what you’re talking about.
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Microsoft
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      Oh then was wrong. there’s no public ivy. Maybe cornell?
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Facebook Sona
      Cornell is definitely the public ivy
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Amazon AmIStupid
      Cornell is private unless youre just engaging in Ivy League dick measuring
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Facebook Sona
      I heard Stanford is public ivy too
      Jan 9, 2018
  • VMware qqzu76
    Best of luck, Mr. Damore!
    Jan 8, 2018 0
  • Google / Eng sergey
    Btw, I might be wrong but I believe that what he did would get him fired in most tech companies.
    Jan 9, 2018 2
    • Indeed / Mgmt TheRight1
      Yes. Most tech companies are discriminatory against conservatives. Your point?
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Amazon / Product Gucci Gang
      I think Sergey means the sh*t stirring would have gotten Damore fired. Not that most tech companies are firing conservatives.
      Jan 9, 2018
  • Amazon Cdgjc
    Ignoring James specifically. after reading through the class action suit, what the fuck is going on in the internal forums at google. So much shit on both sides that shouldn’t be discussed at work let alone a internally public fucking forum!

    Managers publicly creating black lists against specific classifications of people, managers and ICs stating that people of X classification should be fired, managers openly lying to other managers of felony behavior. Seriously wtf. This class action suit makes google appear worse than the NYT article made amazon out to be.

    I’m all for political activism but not when it alienates others, especially your own coworkers. I’m seriously just... wtf?
    Jan 8, 2018 1
    • Zoosk / Eng Concast
      Shut up
      Jan 9, 2018
  • SpaceX chbp55
    I can think of two possibilities: fellow conservative googlers sent them to him, or he collected them months before publishing the "manifesto" knowing they'll come handy.
    Jan 8, 2018 3
    • Amazon hUlak
      He definitely planned for this. His entire point was that Google doesn’t tolerate conservatives. He sent it on a mailing list expecting it would get leaked with a realistic probability he’d end up fired. But that this would prove his point.
      Jan 8, 2018
    • Facebook Sona
      But who’s collecting these blacklists? And how?
      Jan 8, 2018
    • Amazon hUlak
      He intended to highlight the bias he experienced, and he knew that conservatives were often punished with blacklists, so he must have been prepared to get fired. Even if he didn’t intend to, he would have seen that as a potential outcome. So it’s likely he prepared for that.
      Jan 8, 2018
  • Amazon / Product Gucci Gang
    Okay. I read the Damore suit. My takeaways.

    1) some seriously seriously sensitive white male conservatives work at Google.

    2) the lawsuit does a lot of “describing” of events. I can’t wait for Google’s response and the takedown I know is coming from Google legal.

    3) I can’t say I would have responded as strongly as Damore’s coworkers to his memos/emails/etc BUT, some of the posts by Damore and other plaintiff WMCD (White Male Conservative Dude) were just plain stupid. Especially, when other WMCD basically insinuated that a Muslim coworker might have been up to some terrorist activity after a trip to Pakistan. Like wtf?

    4) the part that actually raised concern for me, was the section discussing blacklists. It doesn’t sound like Google is actively endorsing this practice but they’re also not doing anything to stop it. I know I wouldn’t want to have someone on my team who actively believes I might be an unqualified “diversity hire” because I am a different gender/race/etc. You can’t trust that person to actually act properly or give you your due if that’s their mindset. However, I also wouldn’t blatantly state that I maintain a blacklist. Seems like the worst thing in this suit is this section.

    5) Unnamed WMCD, who was mentioned as having worked at the company for 10years, share his story of why he wasn’t hired for an internal engineering role for the first time in 8 years because of “diversity”. However, I can think of a possible reason: he was “old”. Where is the age discrimination suit?

    6) Google won’t allow people like Alex Jones on campus. I see this as a self-preservation thing. Why bring in the people pushing insane conspiracy theories like “Sandy Hook was an inside job”? Is the lawsuit alleging that ALL ideas, even crazy ones, should be allowed at Google? If these are the people Damore wants to encourage to share their voice, then I’m good.

    7) most of the pages in this suit are screenshots of posts, memes, etc. e.g “how to punch a Nazi” is included as Google endorsing violence. However, I would hope that as Americans we all agree that punching Nazis is important. That’s an ideology nobody should support. And the rest seem very tame compared to the stuff on right wing “conservative” sites. I’m unclear why these were included other than to waste paper.

    I think this lawsuit is a waste of time tbh. This won’t work and, as I mentioned. I look forward to seeing how Google defends itself.
    Jan 9, 2018 2
    • Facebook Sona
      It’s clear that you are very biased. I don’t even like damore. You need to take your bias out.
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Credit Karma Johmy
      I’m fine with bias against people who want to crap on their coworkers and limit job skills and employment opportunities for women or migrants or whoever. Good post.
      Jan 11, 2018
  • Intel / Eng pleb
    What would happen if everybody starts writing manifestos about their gender, politics, religion, sexual orientation and other sensitive aspects and broadcasts them through their workplace ?

    I find such acts irresponsible because they would create huge tensions, hard feelings and an overall hostile atmosphere between people whose sole puropse there is to work together to improve the business. Put yourselves in the shoes of a business owner.

    Let's not confuse the workplace with activism. There are many other avenues for social justice and activism but the job isn't one of them. To me, whether he's right or wrong in what he wrote is of no importance. That's a separate debate.

    What if Google's lawyers can dismantle his arguments and show they suffered HR losses due to his manifesto and sues him for damages ? I think this lawsuit is a double edged sword for him.
    Jan 8, 2018 2
    • New UTzr53
      Sigh. He didn’t write a manifesto. The end. He wrote a short document in response to a request for feedback from some internal training program he went on. He did it as part of his job.
      Jan 8, 2018
    • Cisco / Eng Mylady
      No one responded to his feedback, so he went on to vent on internal mailer. Attention seeker. Well, he's got the attention.
      Jan 8, 2018
  • Amazon / Product Gucci Gang
    Lol at this bs.

    He really thinks Google is discriminating against white male conservatives? If posts on Blind are to be believed there are still A LOT of white male conservatives working at Google so I don’t know wtf he’s talking about. Google is OVERWHELMINGLY full of white males. Where is this discrimination?

    But liberals are the snowflakes.
    Jan 9, 2018 3
    • Facebook Sona
      He’s saying google is discriminating against white male conservatives who speak up/out. I believe it. It was a really big issue at fb around election time too. So much so that the company had to say conservatives were welcome at fb.
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Amazon / Product Gucci Gang
      Okay. I will take time out of my day to read this lawsuit.

      While I’m not a conservative, I am curious how “the liberals” may have taken over Google. There better be some hard evidence in this suit.
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Facebook Sona
      There’s screenshots of emails and blacklists that are pretty damning. Though, can also be spun the other way. Depends on who has the better lawyers
      Jan 9, 2018
  • Zoosk / Eng Concast
    Can someone tell him to just go away? Tired of seeing this guy’s stupid face.
    Jan 8, 2018 1
    • Facebook Sona
      Really it is very stupid. And ugly. Good thing he’s got a good personality
      Jan 8, 2018
  • Apple / Eng
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    Well, good luck to him. Sounds like he should chill out and smoke some weed instead.
    Jan 8, 2018 1
    • Facebook Sona
      He probably does. I bet he wrote his manifesto while smoking.
      Jan 8, 2018
  • Google / Eng sergey
    Are all white male conservatives misogynists?
    Jan 9, 2018 3
    • New / Product
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      Typical liberal mindset. “If you don’t conform to our beliefs, you must be a conservative white male misogynist”. Everything always boils down to identity politics, right? Tell me more about privilege, please. And you wonder why you lose elections. Get out of your ideological echo chamber bubble and maybe you’ll finally understand why Trump won.
      Jan 9, 2018
    • Google / Eng sergey
      I'm just asking. Don't take an offense.
      Jan 9, 2018
    • New / Product
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      I apologize, I didn’t mean to come off so abrasive.
      Jan 9, 2018
  • Uber / Eng
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    His "manifesto" is just a shitpost quoting 3 cherry picked studies and generalizing the conclusions to fit existing stereotypes. 5 years ago he might have gotten away with it but that doesn't mean his coworkers would have enjoyed working with him
    Jan 8, 2018 0
  • Blippar anonymous+
    I saw the guy a few weeks ago when I went to get food at Pica pica arepa kitchen in SF. He was wearing a Google tshirt. Why would he wear a Google tshirt?
    Jan 8, 2018 2
    • Illumina / Other
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      Because it fits and was clean enough to wear?
      Jan 8, 2018
    • Apple / Eng
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      I like that place! I live nearby lol.
      Jan 8, 2018
  • Uber / Eng MMJf25
    This guy sucks.
    Jan 8, 2018 0

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