Evaluate Airbnb vs Apple offers

Autodesk vCLg47
Jan 10 77 Comments

Apple: 300k, year 2/3/4 will be better based off refreshers, stock is low, so good time to join

Airbnb: 350k, based on the current stock, also it’s a paper money, not sure about their refreshers.

With Airbnb, what kind of tech are they doing these days, have they hit the rock bottom with the innovation? Also, how much of a big IPO they would open to and when?

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  • Airbnb Ktfg
    If you're L4 the refreshers at airbnb are 90-180k perf based. For L5 its double that. Also keep in mind the fact that the culture at Apple can be very secretive and cut throat while it's much the opposite here. Also we get free food :)
    Jan 10 11
    • Airbnb Hrydhdeheb
      I had no idea we have such refreshers! I have not seen it. IC L5 and high performing eng
      Jan 10
    • Airbnb Ktfg
      High refreshers may be only for new offers idk. I joined as L4 and my refresh is 90-180k.

      Also Twitter monkey shit posts in every thread where people talk about high comp at airbnb. I mean shit, he shit posted the same thing twice already just in this thread. He's prolly jealous because Twitter has a garbage comp structure that stays relatively flat while those with refreshers and a big initial grant see their comp increase a lot in the first few years.

      And ya @jefe_bezos every year I get a grant of rsus between 90-180k which vests over 4 years and starts vesting immediately - that's what a refresher is. It's not a flat salary raise but it is a tc increase
      Jan 10
    • Amazon / PR jefe_bezos
      Yes I am aware. My comment was to highlight my incredulity that he thought it was a merit increase.
      Jan 10
    • Airbnb $wagon
      High refreshers are for everyone and you can also opt to take some of the $ value of your refreshers as cash
      Jan 11
    • Apple / Eng cho Chang
      What is the actual target refresher for L5? For L4 it’s 95k.
      Jan 11
  • Apple / HR SnVL04
    ICT? M? Which level? What’s the base salary?
    Jan 10 7
    • HID Global Jaybe
      What does ICT mean? Sorry kinda new here.
      Jan 10
    • Zoox Rmbr21
      I assume “individual contributor - technical”
      Jan 10
    • New vLnr47
      Just a pay level, like "e5" at Facebook. See levels.fyi
      Jan 10
    • Medallia dealNoDeal
      Whats the remaining spilt of the remaining 110 out of 300k?
      Jan 10
    • Apple / HR SnVL04
      ... was gonna my next question, because normally sign on bonus isn’t 100k+
      Jan 11
  • Apple 88812122
    Don’t consider these stock levels. If you join today, you will be given value which will be on 15 feb. too much time to reach 200. I don’t see it going down anymore
    Jan 10 12
    • Walmart.com klick!
      Living in a fantasy? In this market, Apple reaching 200 by 15th Feb is impossible unless you know some insider news 😉
      Jan 10
    • New TYjc83
      Lol at Intuit. You don’t get to have an opinion if you work on tax software
      Jan 10
    • Intuit / Eng
      j123x

      Intuit Eng

      PRE
      Cisco, Verizon, Oracle
      j123xmore
      No opinion on tax and death
      Jan 10
    • Capital One desu’s mom
      Why do you think the stock market is done correcting? Look at the past 3 months. It has done these fake bull runs 3 times so far, and the overall momentum is still down if you take out the fluctuation. Right now we are at a top in the overall stock market. Expect apple stock to take another huge hit here pretty soon
      Jan 12
    • Microsoft / Product
      Brazuka

      Microsoft Product

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      Brazukamore
      Intuit has been the best tech stock on my portfolio, rode the crash like a champ. Way better than Apple.
      Jan 12
  • Lyft d83jq
    Wow dead even. Can’t go wrong either way. I’d probably choose based on commute time.
    Jan 10 0
  • Amazon hisbnisns
    yoe? You should give the breakdown
    Jan 10 2
    • Autodesk vCLg47
      OP
      8, numbers are based off base, initial grant and sign-on.
      Jan 10
    • Amazon hisbnisns
      How much base/bonus at Airbnb vs stock?
      Jan 10
  • Oath cluhoo
    You aren't capable of evaluating these offers yourself?
    Jan 10 1
    • Google / Eng
      actim

      Google Eng

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      actimmore
      They are looking for additional arguments they may have not considered. Completely reasonable for a fallable person IMHO.
      Jan 11
  • Oracle zyxw
    I am also in a similar boat. Have offers from Apple amazon and lyft. My apple’s first year comp is 300k, but it includes 50k joining bonus. Amazon’s offer is 300k. So unless Apple gives me a refresher of 200k, my second year salary will be 250. Assuming 20% increase in stocks, it will goto 265-270. So this is way less than amazon. I have heard that for ict4 , refreshers are around 50k per year. So for one year, it translates to only 12.5k. Eventually in 4-5 years the net comp should increase because of refreshers, but no one stays in the same company for 5 years. So I think about 3 years at Max.
    Jan 10 10
    • Amazon hisbnisns
      What level at Amazon??
      Jan 11
    • Oracle zyxw
      Sde 2
      Jan 11
    • Amazon hisbnisns
      That’s a very good offer for
      Sde ii
      Jan 11
    • Amazon hisbnisns
      How many years of experience
      Jan 11
    • Oracle zyxw
      Lot of questions my friend! 🙂 Can you please tell me your yoe and annual comp? Also Seattle or Palo alto ?
      Jan 11
  • Mr. Anderson. One of these companies has a future and one of them does not. one of them has been raising prices 20% a year for the last three years and one has not. most people don't understand that when you make the item non-repairable the price goes up. When you make all the ports optional extras the price goes up. When you temporarily stop paying LTE royalties and will eventually lose in court the price goes up. And when you introduce products they cost double what the previous products cost, they start to notice, finally.
    Jan 10 0
  • Genesys PE9823
    More upside for Apple imo
    Jan 10 3
    • KeepTruckin rmqo56
      Lol are you serious
      Jan 10
    • Genesys PE9823
      From carrer perspective I meant
      Jan 10
    • Apple sjobs@aapl
      Lol @ KeepTruckin guy
      Jan 10
  • Amazon / PR jefe_bezos
    Perfectly balanced... as all things should be.
    Jan 10 0
  • Amazon / Eng PoofyBunny
    I think it really depends on what you will be working on. Apple probably has better work if you land on the right team. AirBNB obviously has a bigger upside if the stock does well post IPO.
    Jan 10 0
  • Apple
    ++i

    Apple

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    ++imore
    How many YOE?
    Jan 10 0
  • Gap Beeeees
    Jesus Christ. It’s like you guys are curing cancer or something.
    Jan 11 1
    • Uber
      ........-

      Uber

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      ........-more
      But we aren't doing it as well as Brad Pitt or the Kardashians.
      Jan 12
  • Web.com JG2016
    Apple is such a shit show, you will pray for the sweet release of death.
    Jan 10 1
    • Oracle zyxw
      I do not disagree. I think the density of smart engineers will be more in airbnb than at a company like apple
      Jan 10
  • Cohesity OGrp11
    Anyday airbnb
    Jan 10 0
  • Amazon gemalto
    Neither, you should join FANG instead
    Jan 10 2
    • Microsoft / Product
      Brazuka

      Microsoft Product

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      Brazukamore
      Yes, as long as it's not Amazon. Most my Amazon friends are unhappy with the company.
      Jan 12
    • Amazon gemalto
      Amazon is the greatest FANG of all. All my friends love the company the most.
      Jan 12
  • Apple / Eng Marijuana
    If you don’t have kids, Airbnb for upside.

    If you do, maybe Apple for more stability and better schools around Cupertino.
    Jan 19 0
  • Cloudera WAO648
    Jan 11 0
  • eBay KIXC47
    Location?
    Jan 10 0
  • Adobe tDYD64
    What grade at autodesk?
    Jan 10 0