Compensation

Evaluate Google, Netflix and uber offer

Amazon / Engcamerakit
Jun 7

Current tc 195k( base 130k rest stocks) in Seattle. SDE 2 yoe 6.(3 in Amazon and 3 in Deloitte)

ALL OFFERS ARE Bay area and final post negotiation

G - L4 , 141k/50ksignon/200k stocks-4yrs/15% (
initially offer had no signon and 180k stocks)

N - SSE, 260k cash + 5% stock (No negotation)

U -SrSE a, 171k/440k stocks based on 409a recent eval/ 25k cash +80k stock year end target bonus (Increased my target bonus cash and d stock both after initial offer)

Seems I got lowest end for all . And no company is ready to budge.

Thoughts?

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  • New / Eng
    Lemon head

    NewEng

    PRE
    Google, Facebook
    Lemon headmore
    What dollar value per share is uber priced at?
    Jun 711
    • YahooItsTime
      why r u in blind then ?
      Jun 7
    • SalesforcepTRm60
      The offers are confidential too...
      Jun 9
    • MuleSoftJteve Sobs
      Lmao 😂 🤣 when people say confidential but are on blind sharing offers
      Jun 9
    • Uberwyddd
      Offer are not allowed to be confidential in California. By law you're allowed to discuss them
      Jun 9
    • Lending ClubgCRC81
      @pTRm60 offers are not confidential.
      Jun 10
    • AmazonProfiteer
      I would put Uber shares at $35 based on recent rounds of funding vs shitshow PR recently. If Uber was publicly traded the market would've hammered them for the leadership snaffoos the last year +.
      Jun 10
    • SalesforceLalallala
      It’s $35 a share
      Jun 10
    • Uber / Other
      Perf-ect

      UberOther

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      Apple
      Perf-ectmore
      No it’s not.
      Jun 10
    • Per-fect, what do you think the market price is then?
      Jun 10
    • Uber / Other
      Perf-ect

      UberOther

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      Apple
      Perf-ectmore
      I don’t think the price, I know it, and it’s confidential.
      Jun 10
  • MicrosoftIEjP42
    N
    Jun 731
    • Amazontuningen
      Does FB still mostly use PHP? No Java?
      Jun 10
    • FacebookNSnI12
      Only web tier uses a php-like language. Most backend services are written in the best tool for the job, esp C++, python. Language is irrelevant for engineers at FB. You need to be able to pick up a new language in 1 day
      Jun 10
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      AmazonEng

      BIO
      AWS
      Hooliganssmore
      Hopefully anyone at any major company can pick up new languages quickly. That’d be a prerequisite
      Jun 10
    • Microsoft / EngGoo᠎gle
      Is Netflix as a corporate entity passion driven? Or profit driven? It's a publicly traded company so does it get rewarded for passion and making the world a better place? I find it hypocritical to expect employees who can act as professionals and get the job done to having to take allegiance to an imaginary goal. We're here to make money, period. My craft is MY CRAFT and it's what I'm passionate about, not the business goals or whatever else bullshit corporate cronies are trying to push. What I'm passionate about transcends companies. Today it's Google, tomorrow it may be Facebook or Netflix, who knows.
      Jun 10
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      AmazonEng

      BIO
      AWS
      Hooliganssmore
      They’re not exclusive. You can have a company that is both passion and profit driven. In fact, most companies start off as passions that yield profit.
      If you prefer to work alongside people exclusively there to make money, then fine, but when I sit in on team meetings to discuss candidates, I and a number of others seek out whether the candidate really has an interest in what the team does.

      There’s nothing worse than working alongside someone who does the bare minimum and exclusively there for the money. Generally, they’re assholes.
      Jun 10
    • Tableaukrxi15
      Who says they do absolutely minimal and are there only for money. I have seen people who kills it because they love their craft and demand a big paycheck but they don't believe in the koolaid that the company is shoving down their throat. They just love the work and dont need this mission bullshit to do it.

      When the work starts becoming boring, they bounce. Whereas the ones that stay are those koolaid drinkers who are losers and only good at maintaining stuff and not able to innvoate, they just wrap their lack of skill with passion wrapper.
      Jun 10
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      AmazonEng

      BIO
      AWS
      Hooliganssmore
      In my life experience, those that have passion for what they do have a tendency to put more effort and time into what they do. “Passion” translates to a form of emotion, and when people are emotionally invested in something, they want the best for it.
      Sure, you can arrive at the same result by introducing a reward (ie compensation), but it’s a safer bet to take people on that are emotionally invested (ie passionate), than otherwise.
      Jun 10
    • Tableaukrxi15
      Yes, But there are 2 passions we are taking about. 1) a passionate engineer who is passionate about working on awesome computer science problems 2) corporate passion, which is designed to make employees believe in some stupid stuff, eg: netflix culture deck, amazon LPs.

      You want passionate engineers of type 1, type 2 is just a fake sham.
      Jun 10
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      AmazonEng

      BIO
      AWS
      Hooliganssmore
      Which does passion for a particular product or service fall under? If I love ec2 as a service and want to make it better, I’d be a great pick for said product (assuming I meet the technical requirements). If someone has absolutely no investment in the end product, vs someone who is heavily invested in the product, it seems like a no brainer.
      Jun 10
    • BosekJYK64
      Stay where you are
      Jun 14
  • ExpediaKwifnz
    Spells out GNU. It's a sign from Linus. Netflix or Uber look best
    Jun 71
    • Amazon / EngcamerakitOP
      Lol. Some one told to add 20%tc to compare with paper money unicorn offers so uber is then similar
      Jun 7
  • Tableau / Eng
    TTdr14

    TableauEng

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    Amazon
    TTdr14more
    Based on the team, G or N!
    Jun 70
  • SnapchatBnxz15
    Go for cash. Netflix is good option here because if you get fired you get good severance otherwise your salary will outpace the average returns you’d get from google etc especially if stock market correction will come.
    Jun 70
  • New / Eng
    Lemon head

    NewEng

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    Google, Facebook
    Lemon headmore
    Congrats. Both N and U are big steps up. Surprised G didn’t budge — you told them the other offers? What did they say?
    Jun 717
    • GoogleUBdG56
      Let them know you’re ready to take other offer (and be ready to take it). If your feedback was as strong as you say, she will come back to you. Otherwise you can join goog for better comp at later date (comp for other companies is high).
      Jun 7
    • Amazon / EngcamerakitOP
      ^ that sounds risky though. Also given luck plays a part in interviews who knows what happens second time around.
      I suspect HR smelled that I might be most interested in G and that I wouldn't walk away. Haven't made up my.mind yet.
      Jun 7
    • Amazon / EngcamerakitOP
      But you are right, only way to have any needle moved is to be ready to walk away.
      Jun 7
    • GoogleUBdG56
      Exactly. You have to take the chance unless you wanna work for goog for less comp then other offers. Good luck!!
      Jun 7
    • Googlefudge
      Folks..the interview performance does NOT affect your compensation. It may have an effect in the team matching phase (since some hiring managers may not be interested based on your interview performance).
      Jun 8
    • Pinterestagji13
      I don't work at Google anymore, but back in 2016 I was hired as L4 with 145K base, ~250K RSU over 4yrs and 40K signing bonus. I was also told it's on the higher end for L4.
      Jun 9
    • Netflix / Enggabdkjfn
      I feel that the market is changing rapidly enough that 2 years is long enough that you might need to add a 10 to 20 % bump to that number.
      Jun 10
    • Google / Eng
      NoFizzBuzz

      GoogleEng

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      Apple
      NoFizzBuzzmore
      I was just hired this year as L4 front end SWE 170/350/50. And I know that's not the top either. They can do more stock.
      Jun 11
    • New / Eng
      Lemon head

      NewEng

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      Google, Facebook
      Lemon headmore
      NoFizzBuzz, what’s your experience? High competing offers?
      Jun 11
    • Google / Eng
      NoFizzBuzz

      GoogleEng

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      Apple
      NoFizzBuzzmore
      No competing offers. 7 years experience. Downleveled from another FANG company where I was an L5 equivalent. Thought Google might be a better career move in the long run. Not positive I was right.
      Jun 11
  • MicrosoftRQwG33
    Sincere question. Can you help me with interview preparation? I’ll be starting to give interviews, thanks
    Jun 75
    • Amazon / EngcamerakitOP
      I saw a post a month back called "Sharing my preparation strategies .." by a dude from Amazon itself. you should check that out
      Jun 7
    • MicrosoftRQwG33
      Can’t find it on blind search though
      Jun 7
    • Ms guy, don't use bing. [Blind] Check out this post! Sharing my preparation strategy for offers from Fb, Google, MSFT etc. (Career)
      https://us.teamblind.com/s/MFNMdaOU
      Jun 7
    • MicrosoftRQwG33
      Why are people so mean. Mean but helpful thanks
      Jun 7
    • Interview Kickstart / Other
      ryan@IK

      Interview KickstartOther

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      Co-founder @ InterviewKickstart.com. A boot camp for technical Interview Prep. Our course is taught by active engineers / Hiring managers from FB, Google etc.
      ryan@IKmore
      @RQwG33. Feel free to check out our boot camp www.interviewkickstart.com. It's a 2 months course for technical interview prep. Also please check out our reviews on Quora from people who've actually done the course. All the best for your interviews
      Jun 9
  • New / Eng1🏅
    What org withing Amazon? Interested!
    Jun 71
    • Amazon / EngcamerakitOP
      Dex (Delivery experience)
      Jun 7
  • Flagged by the community.

  • SalesforceHashable
    Seems like you performed horribly in the interviews. I’d wait a year and try again.
    Jun 74
    • Why would they give him an offer then?
      Jun 7
    • Amazon / EngcamerakitOP
      So they gave me offers as token of sympathy?
      Jun 7
    • Yea I doubt that is the case. May be your system design was on the weaker side so they gave you a lower end T4 offer.
      Jun 8
    • Salesforcewfh?
      Probably did well enough to clear the bar but didn't provide to very strong signals in experience, design, behavioral. All 3 offers are low balls.
      Jun 8
  • Uber65467
    Uber offer is really good!
    Jun 73
    • Amazon / EngcamerakitOP
      Is it though ? Comparing past blind samples
      Jun 7
    • UberR144
      Yes I think it is pretty strong.
      Jun 8
    • UberPir4te
      Good offer
      Jun 9
  • I don't understand how people get 160k/270K offers for L4 at google. You have 6 yoe & offers from Netflix and über and google doesn't want to match.

    Either they are lying about their numbers or your recruiter enjoys lowballing you. I would tell her "I am taking über, unless you match". See what they have to say.
    Jun 711
    • Amazon / EngcamerakitOP
      Google knows about my other offer details. I am baffled too comparing every one left and right is getting 300k for T4.
      Jun 7
    • MicrosoftContainerd
      OP, why not pick Google Seattle?
      Jun 7
    • Amazon / EngcamerakitOP
      ^ Hate this shithole of a place. Never felt this low in my life.(Weather sucks, Dating life sucks).
      Jun 7
    • Dating life sucks even more in Bay Area.
      Jun 8
    • Two Sigmakruber
      240k is the standard offer from what I've seen. OP isn't much lower than that. 300k offers are exceptionally rare for L4s and people who say you can easily get them are full of shit.
      Jun 8
    • Salesforcewfh?
      240k looks like an L3 offer
      Jun 8
    • FacebookexFOB
      240k is a new grad offer.
      Jun 9
    • Seems Google is low balling these days. I got a 160/30/380 L5 offer after negotiating. Including signon, barely 300 TC before first refresher in 2020. They wouldn't fully match a competing offer
      Jun 9
    • FacebookexFOB
      Not worth joining. Google is in shambles, their products are rapidly deprecated, they lost Social and Messaging, internal leadership has no sense of right / wrong and only have bandaid fixes when things heat up (Project Maven), they are into unnnecessary cost cutting (no RSU refresh for Nooglers), Microkitchens and other perks are degrading swiftly, they are playing catchup to AWS and Azure in Cloud, Bureaucracy is rampant, Execs choose to give handwavy answers to hard questions, etc.
      Jun 9
    • Microsoft / EngHHzD76
      ^this
      Jun 9
  • Facebook / EngTCYOE
    Damn should have gotten Fb offer, would have beaten all of these. 6y can get E5 with 300-400k TC
    Jun 71
    • Amazon / EngcamerakitOP
      Interestingly enough Fb Hr told me to wait for a quarter when they will resume or ramp up hiring. I just took it as "not interested right now"
      Jun 7
  • Uber / EngxUberoo
    Which team in Uber? Feel free to dm me.
    Jun 71
  • Uber / Engnkidwt
    The Uber offer is actually pretty good. Maybe not the very top for 5a but close to it.

    That Netflix offer is super low. You should be able to clear over $300k minimum there.

    I wouldn’t even consider the google offer unless it was an amazing team where you will grow and be mentored.

    The pricing team in SF will almost certainly have the most interesting problems.
    Jun 71
    • Amazon / EngcamerakitOP
      Thanks, yeah mostly i am split between zGoog and Uber. Probably seems like I'll be going ahead with Uber. Pricing definitely seems to have interesting problems and challenges. Also it is imperative for the business so it is heavily invested into. Team matched in Google is pretty interesting as well though tc is kinda bummer.
      Jun 7
  • LinkedInyolo 🙃
    From the few anecdotal examples I’ve seen (including my own offer) it seems that google always offers $50k less than Netflix. My recruiter said they don’t match Netflix offers at par because they believe google adds value in other perks and benefits.

    Also keep in mind google gives refreshers but Netflix doesn’t.

    Your google offer seems a bit below middle of range for T4. That means either you didn’t do well in the interview or they lowballed you because of your Netflix offer. Netflix usually pays more than that for the right skills (I have 7yoe and got $450k offer).
    Jun 85
    • LinkedInyolo 🙃
      If you’re willing to walk away from Google, that might be your last leverage. But you have to be really willing to walk away.
      Jun 8
    • Amazon / EngcamerakitOP
      Yeah makes sense thanks. Btw when are you joining Netflix then ? $450K is a no brainer and Congrats.
      Jun 8
    • LinkedInyolo 🙃
      I’m joining google, they offered me $400k for T5.
      Jun 8
    • Amazon / EngBazinga!!!
      Yolo, can you share your interview experiences with N and G? Leetcode level, design level, etc
      Jun 8
    • Microsoftmauster
      @yolo - What's the breakdown for 400k?
      Jun 11
  • Netflixricewater
    Go for Netflix. Your teammates are likely paid 100k more than you. And as long as you perform as well, you can expect that gap to be filled in a year.
    Jun 80
  • LinkedInPwhfdo
    Google and Netflix offers seem low. Did you try negotiating with Netflix?
    Jun 80
  • Nice, can check http://levels.fyi
    Jun 80
  • NetflixJFgD66
    Netflix will recognize your personal top of market based on your performance. In the first year if you are outperforming your comp, you can expect a bump without asking. You will also not be limited to arbitrary ranges when it comes around to comp review.

    Source: joined Netflix and received an 8.5% raise in the first 3 months. Received another 18% raise when comp review came around the same year.
    Jun 80
  • Microsoftnaaam
    Not even a question to ask. Netflix all the way.
    Jun 81
    • UberR144
      I think it’s a good question to ask
      Jun 8
  • Netflixneko bus
    Nice Uber offer
    Jun 80
  • Amazon / Eng
    cockroachz

    AmazonEng

    PRE
    Airbnb
    cockroachzmore
    Are these offers in Seattle or bay areas
    Jun 90
  • AutodeskDoTC60
    You use too many acronyms
    Jun 90
  • Netflix. No brainer.
    Jun 90
  • Your current pay at amazon Seattle is better than your offers in bay 😜 you are not considering cost of living In Cali and state tax in Cali
    Jun 90
  • GoogleKjDt62
    Op, I had a similar offer from U. I pushed my G recruiter hard, so I joined G with 350k stocks.
    Jun 95
    • L4?
      Jun 9
    • GoogleKjDt62
      Yes, L4
      Jun 9
    • Any tips for pushing recruiters?
      Jun 9
    • GoogleKjDt62
      Reject the offer and wait for 3 days before you take the other one.
      Jun 9
    • Yeah, that's a bit risky unless you're really fine with walking away
      Jun 9
  • NetflixKsHR64
    I joined Netflix as a SSE with 4.5 years of experience and was offered $325k and 5% salary per year in options. I think there is room in your offer
    Jun 90
  • Uber / EngnKKB75jfjf
    You should also take into account location. Keep in mind that Netflix is way down in the South Bay. Google is slightly better, but Mountain View isn’t that exciting. If you want to actually live in San Francisco, Uber is a great option. I know many in SF who will flat out refuse to spend 1-1.5hrs a day, each way, to commute down to Google/FB etc. Apart from that, these all seem like excellent opportunities. Good luck!
    Jun 90
  • Nvidia / Engnvhack
    Netflix offer is low.
    Jun 90
  • Microsoftmicrosof
    Go for Uber, challenging work, very good package and if it goes IPO, stocks will increase. So think about it also.
    Jun 90
  • Interview Kickstart / Other
    ryan@IK

    Interview KickstartOther

    BIO
    Co-founder @ InterviewKickstart.com. A boot camp for technical Interview Prep. Our course is taught by active engineers / Hiring managers from FB, Google etc.
    ryan@IKmore
    There's already a lot said about the $ comp. So I won't say much about that. When you decide also keep in mind the team you join the quality of your day to day work, the people you will work with and opportunities for growth for you . These will matter much more vis-a-vis your long term growth and hence your ability to earn over time.
    Jun 90
  • Take the Uber offer and thank me later
    Jun 90
  • OracleHiguita
    For 6 yrs you should already get 500k base + 1M in stocks. Else just decline the offer.
    Jun 93
    • Proofpoint / Eng
      123- tao

      ProofpointEng

      PRE
      Symantec
      123- taomore
      Oracle gives peanuts
      Jun 9
    • /s
      Jun 9
    • Netflix6@nd0m
      are you serious? it is completely depends on what you bring to the table..
      Jun 9
  • Amazon / Eng
    tosh-poni

    AmazonEng

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    tosh-ponimore
    Ask your sdm if they can match the offer lol
    Jun 90
  • LinkedInPwner
    Interview at Lyft, Pinterest, LinkedIn and FB. Low balled every where. If you choose to join anyone, I’m afraid you’d lack the excitement of a new job.
    Jun 90
  • OpenText / Engno_scrubs
    Join Netfix. Do well on your first year, and you'll get a 50k raise.

    Edit: the 50k raise may come with a present, a pager ;)
    Jun 90
  • CiscoAvr1UsK
    You should be able to convince G to keep the same numbers for Seattle. That way you don't have to move to the bay area and the numbers will work much better.
    Jun 90
  • Why does everyone with SrSE offer from Uber seem to have been offered twice my bonus cash/refreshers...
    Jun 100
  • Googleipue10
    G stocks are a bit low. I came in with 130 base and 220k rsu as l4. I am happy with comp growth at g (tc is up 50%). But the change in refresh for Nooglers makes your offer even worse now. Personally, I would be afraid to go to Netflix for such low tc. Netflix is clear they are willing to fire and layoff. If you're not risk averse at all, then the safety of Google may have no value to you. Your offers make it tough. The median tc at g for l5 is 350
    Jun 102
    • LinkedInloogler
      what are the refresh changes?
      Jun 10
    • Googleipue10
      Defaults to 0 in calendar year you join now. Requires manager to use discretionary budget to give refresh in first calendar year
      Jun 10
  • Google / Eng
    fannypacks

    GoogleEng

    PRE
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    fannypacksmore
    G is not the low end of L4.
    Jun 100
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    • New / Eng
      Lemon head

      NewEng

      PRE
      Google, Facebook
      Lemon headmore
      Hm what did you get and did you work at another FANG?
      Jun 10
  • Amazon / EngcamerakitOP
    UPDATE -- I declined Google offer over the weekend through mail, thanking them and all that crap and explicitly mentioned declining because of comp. Hr came up with updated numbers today evening (I was going to accept Uber
    tommorrow) -
    141base, 360k(From 200) stocks /4years , 50 k signon and gave me a days time. I accepted it.
    Google it is.

    Thanks everyone for all the comments.
    Jun 1111
    • Amazon / EngcamerakitOP
      No worries go ahead
      Jun 11
    • OpenText / Engno_scrubs
      What price per share did you use for your uber offer?
      Jun 11
    • Intuitpoirot
      Thanks, PMed you.
      Jun 11
    • Salesforcewfh?
      Why don't you play the game and get Uber to up their offer?
      Jun 11
    • Amazon / EngcamerakitOP
      ^I wasnt intending to play any games. I genuinely sent the decline because of low comp without any expectations for counter. The team in G is good (AI and cloud) and I am ok with current offer. No point in wasting Uber's time. Although team and work in uber was great too. I actually have a better impression of uber now(having met with people) than before.
      Netflix HR outright said we dont negotiate and this is final (sounded like take it or leave it).Anyways wasn't too excited about work in Netflix. It looked meh. May be some day....
      Jun 11
    • Facebook__-__
      great job in negotiating :)
      Jun 11
    • Salesforcewfh?
      Thanks for updating the thread OP. Not many people do that. In the end you got 40k more per year because you were willing to walk away. I'm happy it paid off.
      Jun 11
    • AppleGg56fh
      Congrats, camerakit!

      Did Google HR call or email with your new offer + 1 day deadline?
      Jun 12
    • TripAdvisorMjQK82
      Congrats, good offer!
      Jun 12
    • Facebook / Engvizio
      That's killer. Congrate man.
      Jun 23
  • Oracle / Eng
    tyxiba

    OracleEng

    PRE
    Deloitte, IBM
    BIO
    Client facing engineer here. I'm a people person I tell ya!
    tyxibamore
    For quality of life I'd go with Uber, unless you really love the idea of commuting to/living in boring South Bay suburbia.
    Jun 111
    • CiscoAvr1UsK
      There's a strip club in Sunnyvale.
      Jun 17
  • G
    Jun 130
  • Amazon / Enghzra16
    6 years SDE2 with base 130K? Does it sound also pretty low for a amazon SDE2? The google offer actually is lower than what you have right now since that Bay Area
    Jun 150
  • GooglePerfy
    Tell google to gtfo. They can give u atleast a 100k more if u tell them ur Netflix offer.
    Jun 220
  • For Uber, do you need to pay price of 400k stocks out of your pocket?
    Jun 267
    • No. But you do have to pay the tax on vesting. You can pay that by letting the brokerage company sell some of the securities. But as Uber is not liquid, I'm guessing that you need to pay the tax out of your pocket.
      Jun 26
    • LinkedInWbxiwq
      You're wrong. You don't pay tax on vesting for RSU's for Uber. You pay taxes when there is a liquidation event. So if you've vested 400k in RSU's and Uber IPO's this year, you would be liable for the taxes on that full amount this year.
      Jun 26
    • That is neat! Now I hope Uber doesn't IPO until 2022!
      Jun 26
    • But 400k is over 4 years, how would this person pay taxes now on future vesting ?
      Jun 26
    • LinkedInWbxiwq
      After they IPO the future vesting will work like any other public tech company. You'll get taxed on vest and the company will withhold shares for taxes automatically.
      Jun 26
    • AFAIK Uber vesting is based on both time (vesting schedule) and event (liquidation). You only get the shares when both conditions are met, and you only pay the taxes when you get the shares, and the taxes are paid by you not getting all the shares because some of them will be sold to pay your taxes instead of being given to you.
      Jun 26
    • OpenText / Engno_scrubs
      ^correct
      Jun 27

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