Evaluate Google, Netflix and uber offer

Amazon / Eng camerakit
Jun 7, 2018 171 Comments

Current tc 195k( base 130k rest stocks) in Seattle. SDE 2 yoe 6.(3 in Amazon and 3 in Deloitte)

ALL OFFERS ARE Bay area and final post negotiation

G - L4 , 141k/50ksignon/200k stocks-4yrs/15% (
initially offer had no signon and 180k stocks)

N - SSE, 260k cash + 5% stock (No negotation)

U -SrSE a, 171k/440k stocks based on 409a recent eval/ 25k cash +80k stock year end target bonus (Increased my target bonus cash and d stock both after initial offer)

Seems I got lowest end for all . And no company is ready to budge.

Thoughts?

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TOP 171 Comments
  • Microsoft IEjP42
    N
    Jun 7, 2018 31
    • Tableau krxi15
      Who says they do absolutely minimal and are there only for money. I have seen people who kills it because they love their craft and demand a big paycheck but they don't believe in the koolaid that the company is shoving down their throat. They just love the work and dont need this mission bullshit to do it.

      When the work starts becoming boring, they bounce. Whereas the ones that stay are those koolaid drinkers who are losers and only good at maintaining stuff and not able to innvoate, they just wrap their lack of skill with passion wrapper.
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

      BIO
      AWS
      Hooliganssmore
      In my life experience, those that have passion for what they do have a tendency to put more effort and time into what they do. “Passion” translates to a form of emotion, and when people are emotionally invested in something, they want the best for it.
      Sure, you can arrive at the same result by introducing a reward (ie compensation), but it’s a safer bet to take people on that are emotionally invested (ie passionate), than otherwise.
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Tableau krxi15
      Yes, But there are 2 passions we are taking about. 1) a passionate engineer who is passionate about working on awesome computer science problems 2) corporate passion, which is designed to make employees believe in some stupid stuff, eg: netflix culture deck, amazon LPs.

      You want passionate engineers of type 1, type 2 is just a fake sham.
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

      BIO
      AWS
      Hooliganssmore
      Which does passion for a particular product or service fall under? If I love ec2 as a service and want to make it better, I’d be a great pick for said product (assuming I meet the technical requirements). If someone has absolutely no investment in the end product, vs someone who is heavily invested in the product, it seems like a no brainer.
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Bose kJYK64
      Stay where you are
      Jun 14, 2018
  • New / Eng
    Lemon head

    New Eng

    PRE
    Google, Facebook
    Lemon headmore
    What dollar value per share is uber priced at?
    Jun 7, 2018 11
    • Amazon Profiteer
      I would put Uber shares at $35 based on recent rounds of funding vs shitshow PR recently. If Uber was publicly traded the market would've hammered them for the leadership snaffoos the last year +.
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Salesforce Lalallala
      It’s $35 a share
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Uber / Other
      Perf-ect

      Uber Other

      PRE
      Apple
      Perf-ectmore
      No it’s not.
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Amazon Yrallhrsht
      Per-fect, what do you think the market price is then?
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Uber / Other
      Perf-ect

      Uber Other

      PRE
      Apple
      Perf-ectmore
      I don’t think the price, I know it, and it’s confidential.
      Jun 10, 2018
  • Tesla LEETCODER
    I don't understand how people get 160k/270K offers for L4 at google. You have 6 yoe & offers from Netflix and über and google doesn't want to match.

    Either they are lying about their numbers or your recruiter enjoys lowballing you. I would tell her "I am taking über, unless you match". See what they have to say.
    Jun 7, 2018 11
    • Salesforce wfh?
      240k looks like an L3 offer
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Facebook exFOB
      240k is a new grad offer.
      Jun 9, 2018
    • Seems Google is low balling these days. I got a 160/30/380 L5 offer after negotiating. Including signon, barely 300 TC before first refresher in 2020. They wouldn't fully match a competing offer
      Jun 9, 2018
    • Facebook exFOB
      Not worth joining. Google is in shambles, their products are rapidly deprecated, they lost Social and Messaging, internal leadership has no sense of right / wrong and only have bandaid fixes when things heat up (Project Maven), they are into unnnecessary cost cutting (no RSU refresh for Nooglers), Microkitchens and other perks are degrading swiftly, they are playing catchup to AWS and Azure in Cloud, Bureaucracy is rampant, Execs choose to give handwavy answers to hard questions, etc.
      Jun 9, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng HHzD76
      ^this
      Jun 9, 2018
  • Salesforce Hashable
    Seems like you performed horribly in the interviews. I’d wait a year and try again.
    Jun 7, 2018 4
    • Tesla LEETCODER
      Why would they give him an offer then?
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng camerakit
      OP
      So they gave me offers as token of sympathy?
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Tesla LEETCODER
      Yea I doubt that is the case. May be your system design was on the weaker side so they gave you a lower end T4 offer.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Salesforce wfh?
      Probably did well enough to clear the bar but didn't provide to very strong signals in experience, design, behavioral. All 3 offers are low balls.
      Jun 8, 2018
  • New / Eng
    Lemon head

    New Eng

    PRE
    Google, Facebook
    Lemon headmore
    Congrats. Both N and U are big steps up. Surprised G didn’t budge — you told them the other offers? What did they say?
    Jun 7, 2018 17
    • Pinterest agji13
      I don't work at Google anymore, but back in 2016 I was hired as L4 with 145K base, ~250K RSU over 4yrs and 40K signing bonus. I was also told it's on the higher end for L4.
      Jun 9, 2018
    • Netflix / Eng gabdkjfn
      I feel that the market is changing rapidly enough that 2 years is long enough that you might need to add a 10 to 20 % bump to that number.
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Google / Eng
      NoFizzBuzz

      Google Eng

      PRE
      Apple
      NoFizzBuzzmore
      I was just hired this year as L4 front end SWE 170/350/50. And I know that's not the top either. They can do more stock.
      Jun 11, 2018
    • New / Eng
      Lemon head

      New Eng

      PRE
      Google, Facebook
      Lemon headmore
      NoFizzBuzz, what’s your experience? High competing offers?
      Jun 11, 2018
    • Google / Eng
      NoFizzBuzz

      Google Eng

      PRE
      Apple
      NoFizzBuzzmore
      No competing offers. 7 years experience. Downleveled from another FANG company where I was an L5 equivalent. Thought Google might be a better career move in the long run. Not positive I was right.
      Jun 11, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng camerakit
    OP
    UPDATE -- I declined Google offer over the weekend through mail, thanking them and all that crap and explicitly mentioned declining because of comp. Hr came up with updated numbers today evening (I was going to accept Uber
    tommorrow) -
    141base, 360k(From 200) stocks /4years , 50 k signon and gave me a days time. I accepted it.
    Google it is.

    Thanks everyone for all the comments.
    Jun 11, 2018 11
    • Facebook __-__
      great job in negotiating :)
      Jun 11, 2018
    • Salesforce wfh?
      Thanks for updating the thread OP. Not many people do that. In the end you got 40k more per year because you were willing to walk away. I'm happy it paid off.
      Jun 11, 2018
    • Apple Gg56fh
      Congrats, camerakit!

      Did Google HR call or email with your new offer + 1 day deadline?
      Jun 12, 2018
    • TripAdvisor MjQK82
      Congrats, good offer!
      Jun 12, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng vizio
      That's killer. Congrate man.
      Jun 23, 2018
  • Expedia Kwifnz
    Spells out GNU. It's a sign from Linus. Netflix or Uber look best
    Jun 7, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng camerakit
      OP
      Lol. Some one told to add 20%tc to compare with paper money unicorn offers so uber is then similar
      Jun 7, 2018
  • Snapchat Bnxz15
    Go for cash. Netflix is good option here because if you get fired you get good severance otherwise your salary will outpace the average returns you’d get from google etc especially if stock market correction will come.
    Jun 7, 2018 0
  • Microsoft RQwG33
    Sincere question. Can you help me with interview preparation? I’ll be starting to give interviews, thanks
    Jun 7, 2018 5
    • Amazon / Eng camerakit
      OP
      I saw a post a month back called "Sharing my preparation strategies .." by a dude from Amazon itself. you should check that out
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Microsoft RQwG33
      Can’t find it on blind search though
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Uber stockguru
      Ms guy, don't use bing. [Blind] Check out this post! Sharing my preparation strategy for offers from Fb, Google, MSFT etc. (Career)
      https://us.teamblind.com/s/MFNMdaOU
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Microsoft RQwG33
      Why are people so mean. Mean but helpful thanks
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Interview Kickstart / Other
      ryan@IK

      Interview Kickstart Other

      BIO
      Co-founder @ InterviewKickstart.com. A boot camp for technical Interview Prep. Our course is taught by active engineers / Hiring managers from FB, Google etc.
      ryan@IKmore
      @RQwG33. Feel free to check out our boot camp www.interviewkickstart.com. It's a 2 months course for technical interview prep. Also please check out our reviews on Quora from people who've actually done the course. All the best for your interviews
      Jun 9, 2018
  • PayPal smallthiki
    Your current pay at amazon Seattle is better than your offers in bay 😜 you are not considering cost of living In Cali and state tax in Cali
    Jun 9, 2018 0
  • Netflix JFgD66
    Netflix will recognize your personal top of market based on your performance. In the first year if you are outperforming your comp, you can expect a bump without asking. You will also not be limited to arbitrary ranges when it comes around to comp review.

    Source: joined Netflix and received an 8.5% raise in the first 3 months. Received another 18% raise when comp review came around the same year.
    Jun 8, 2018 0
  • Uber 65467
    Uber offer is really good!
    Jun 7, 2018 3
    • Amazon / Eng camerakit
      OP
      Is it though ? Comparing past blind samples
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Uber R144
      Yes I think it is pretty strong.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Uber Pir4te
      Good offer
      Jun 9, 2018
  • LinkedIn yolo 🙃
    From the few anecdotal examples I’ve seen (including my own offer) it seems that google always offers $50k less than Netflix. My recruiter said they don’t match Netflix offers at par because they believe google adds value in other perks and benefits.

    Also keep in mind google gives refreshers but Netflix doesn’t.

    Your google offer seems a bit below middle of range for T4. That means either you didn’t do well in the interview or they lowballed you because of your Netflix offer. Netflix usually pays more than that for the right skills (I have 7yoe and got $450k offer).
    Jun 8, 2018 5
    • LinkedIn yolo 🙃
      If you’re willing to walk away from Google, that might be your last leverage. But you have to be really willing to walk away.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng camerakit
      OP
      Yeah makes sense thanks. Btw when are you joining Netflix then ? $450K is a no brainer and Congrats.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • LinkedIn yolo 🙃
      I’m joining google, they offered me $400k for T5.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Bazinga!!!
      Yolo, can you share your interview experiences with N and G? Leetcode level, design level, etc
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Microsoft mauster
      @yolo - What's the breakdown for 400k?
      Jun 11, 2018
  • Microsoft naaam
    Not even a question to ask. Netflix all the way.
    Jun 8, 2018 1
    • Uber R144
      I think it’s a good question to ask
      Jun 8, 2018
  • Netflix / Eng ricewater
    Go for Netflix. Your teammates are likely paid 100k more than you. And as long as you perform as well, you can expect that gap to be filled in a year.
    Jun 8, 2018 0
  • Uber / Eng nkidwt
    The Uber offer is actually pretty good. Maybe not the very top for 5a but close to it.

    That Netflix offer is super low. You should be able to clear over $300k minimum there.

    I wouldn’t even consider the google offer unless it was an amazing team where you will grow and be mentored.

    The pricing team in SF will almost certainly have the most interesting problems.
    Jun 7, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng camerakit
      OP
      Thanks, yeah mostly i am split between zGoog and Uber. Probably seems like I'll be going ahead with Uber. Pricing definitely seems to have interesting problems and challenges. Also it is imperative for the business so it is heavily invested into. Team matched in Google is pretty interesting as well though tc is kinda bummer.
      Jun 7, 2018
  • Uber / Eng nKKB75jfjf
    You should also take into account location. Keep in mind that Netflix is way down in the South Bay. Google is slightly better, but Mountain View isn’t that exciting. If you want to actually live in San Francisco, Uber is a great option. I know many in SF who will flat out refuse to spend 1-1.5hrs a day, each way, to commute down to Google/FB etc. Apart from that, these all seem like excellent opportunities. Good luck!
    Jun 9, 2018 0
  • Tableau / Eng
    TTdr14

    Tableau Eng

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    Amazon
    TTdr14more
    Based on the team, G or N!
    Jun 7, 2018 0
  • Microsoft microsof
    Go for Uber, challenging work, very good package and if it goes IPO, stocks will increase. So think about it also.
    Jun 9, 2018 0
  • Google KjDt62
    Op, I had a similar offer from U. I pushed my G recruiter hard, so I joined G with 350k stocks.
    Jun 9, 2018 5
    • L4?
      Jun 9, 2018
    • Google KjDt62
      Yes, L4
      Jun 9, 2018
    • Any tips for pushing recruiters?
      Jun 9, 2018
    • Google KjDt62
      Reject the offer and wait for 3 days before you take the other one.
      Jun 9, 2018
    • Yeah, that's a bit risky unless you're really fine with walking away
      Jun 9, 2018