Evaluate Google, Netflix and uber offerJun 7, 2018
Current tc 195k( base 130k rest stocks) in Seattle. SDE 2 yoe 6.(3 in Amazon and 3 in Deloitte)
ALL OFFERS ARE Bay area and final post negotiation
G - L4 , 141k/50ksignon/200k stocks-4yrs/15% (
initially offer had no signon and 180k stocks)
N - SSE, 260k cash + 5% stock (No negotation)
U -SrSE a, 171k/440k stocks based on 409a recent eval/ 25k cash +80k stock year end target bonus (Increased my target bonus cash and d stock both after initial offer)
Seems I got lowest end for all . And no company is ready to budge.
- Microsoft / EngGoogleIs Netflix as a corporate entity passion driven? Or profit driven? It's a publicly traded company so does it get rewarded for passion and making the world a better place? I find it hypocritical to expect employees who can act as professionals and get the job done to having to take allegiance to an imaginary goal. We're here to make money, period. My craft is MY CRAFT and it's what I'm passionate about, not the business goals or whatever else bullshit corporate cronies are trying to push. What I'm passionate about transcends companies. Today it's Google, tomorrow it may be Facebook or Netflix, who knows.Jun 10, 20183
- They’re not exclusive. You can have a company that is both passion and profit driven. In fact, most companies start off as passions that yield profit.
If you prefer to work alongside people exclusively there to make money, then fine, but when I sit in on team meetings to discuss candidates, I and a number of others seek out whether the candidate really has an interest in what the team does.
There’s nothing worse than working alongside someone who does the bare minimum and exclusively there for the money. Generally, they’re assholes.
- Who says they do absolutely minimal and are there only for money. I have seen people who kills it because they love their craft and demand a big paycheck but they don't believe in the koolaid that the company is shoving down their throat. They just love the work and dont need this mission bullshit to do it.
When the work starts becoming boring, they bounce. Whereas the ones that stay are those koolaid drinkers who are losers and only good at maintaining stuff and not able to innvoate, they just wrap their lack of skill with passion wrapper.
- In my life experience, those that have passion for what they do have a tendency to put more effort and time into what they do. “Passion” translates to a form of emotion, and when people are emotionally invested in something, they want the best for it.
Sure, you can arrive at the same result by introducing a reward (ie compensation), but it’s a safer bet to take people on that are emotionally invested (ie passionate), than otherwise.
- Yes, But there are 2 passions we are taking about. 1) a passionate engineer who is passionate about working on awesome computer science problems 2) corporate passion, which is designed to make employees believe in some stupid stuff, eg: netflix culture deck, amazon LPs.
You want passionate engineers of type 1, type 2 is just a fake sham.
- Which does passion for a particular product or service fall under? If I love ec2 as a service and want to make it better, I’d be a great pick for said product (assuming I meet the technical requirements). If someone has absolutely no investment in the end product, vs someone who is heavily invested in the product, it seems like a no brainer.
- I don't understand how people get 160k/270K offers for L4 at google. You have 6 yoe & offers from Netflix and über and google doesn't want to match.
Either they are lying about their numbers or your recruiter enjoys lowballing you. I would tell her "I am taking über, unless you match". See what they have to say.
- Not worth joining. Google is in shambles, their products are rapidly deprecated, they lost Social and Messaging, internal leadership has no sense of right / wrong and only have bandaid fixes when things heat up (Project Maven), they are into unnnecessary cost cutting (no RSU refresh for Nooglers), Microkitchens and other perks are degrading swiftly, they are playing catchup to AWS and Azure in Cloud, Bureaucracy is rampant, Execs choose to give handwavy answers to hard questions, etc.Jun 9, 20185
- Salesforce HashableSeems like you performed horribly in the interviews. I’d wait a year and try again.
- Congrats. Both N and U are big steps up. Surprised G didn’t budge — you told them the other offers? What did they say?
- UPDATE -- I declined Google offer over the weekend through mail, thanking them and all that crap and explicitly mentioned declining because of comp. Hr came up with updated numbers today evening (I was going to accept Uber
141base, 360k(From 200) stocks /4years , 50 k signon and gave me a days time. I accepted it.
Google it is.
Thanks everyone for all the comments.
- ^I wasnt intending to play any games. I genuinely sent the decline because of low comp without any expectations for counter. The team in G is good (AI and cloud) and I am ok with current offer. No point in wasting Uber's time. Although team and work in uber was great too. I actually have a better impression of uber now(having met with people) than before.
Netflix HR outright said we dont negotiate and this is final (sounded like take it or leave it).Anyways wasn't too excited about work in Netflix. It looked meh. May be some day....Jun 11, 20186
- Sincere question. Can you help me with interview preparation? I’ll be starting to give interviews, thanks
- Netflix JFgD66Netflix will recognize your personal top of market based on your performance. In the first year if you are outperforming your comp, you can expect a bump without asking. You will also not be limited to arbitrary ranges when it comes around to comp review.
Source: joined Netflix and received an 8.5% raise in the first 3 months. Received another 18% raise when comp review came around the same year.
- From the few anecdotal examples I’ve seen (including my own offer) it seems that google always offers $50k less than Netflix. My recruiter said they don’t match Netflix offers at par because they believe google adds value in other perks and benefits.
Also keep in mind google gives refreshers but Netflix doesn’t.
Your google offer seems a bit below middle of range for T4. That means either you didn’t do well in the interview or they lowballed you because of your Netflix offer. Netflix usually pays more than that for the right skills (I have 7yoe and got $450k offer).
- Uber / EngnkidwtThe Uber offer is actually pretty good. Maybe not the very top for 5a but close to it.
That Netflix offer is super low. You should be able to clear over $300k minimum there.
I wouldn’t even consider the google offer unless it was an amazing team where you will grow and be mentored.
The pricing team in SF will almost certainly have the most interesting problems.
- Thanks, yeah mostly i am split between zGoog and Uber. Probably seems like I'll be going ahead with Uber. Pricing definitely seems to have interesting problems and challenges. Also it is imperative for the business so it is heavily invested into. Team matched in Google is pretty interesting as well though tc is kinda bummer.
- Uber / EngnKKB75jfjfYou should also take into account location. Keep in mind that Netflix is way down in the South Bay. Google is slightly better, but Mountain View isn’t that exciting. If you want to actually live in San Francisco, Uber is a great option. I know many in SF who will flat out refuse to spend 1-1.5hrs a day, each way, to commute down to Google/FB etc. Apart from that, these all seem like excellent opportunities. Good luck!
- Op, I had a similar offer from U. I pushed my G recruiter hard, so I joined G with 350k stocks.
- Oracle HiguitaFor 6 yrs you should already get 500k base + 1M in stocks. Else just decline the offer.
- G stocks are a bit low. I came in with 130 base and 220k rsu as l4. I am happy with comp growth at g (tc is up 50%). But the change in refresh for Nooglers makes your offer even worse now. Personally, I would be afraid to go to Netflix for such low tc. Netflix is clear they are willing to fire and layoff. If you're not risk averse at all, then the safety of Google may have no value to you. Your offers make it tough. The median tc at g for l5 is 350
- Facebook / EngTCYOEDamn should have gotten Fb offer, would have beaten all of these. 6y can get E5 with 300-400k TC
- New llllIIIllAFAIK Uber vesting is based on both time (vesting schedule) and event (liquidation). You only get the shares when both conditions are met, and you only pay the taxes when you get the shares, and the taxes are paid by you not getting all the shares because some of them will be sold to pay your taxes instead of being given to you.
- Oracle / EngtyxibamoreFor quality of life I'd go with Uber, unless you really love the idea of commuting to/living in boring South Bay suburbia.
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- There's already a lot said about the $ comp. So I won't say much about that. When you decide also keep in mind the team you join the quality of your day to day work, the people you will work with and opportunities for growth for you . These will matter much more vis-a-vis your long term growth and hence your ability to earn over time.