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Apple beffjezous
Jun 14 45 Comments

Hi folks, i have offers from a few companies and I am considering two, can you please help me decide

Amazon AWS - SDE2
Base 175K
Sign on: 1st year 140k, 2nd year 104k
Stock: 160 RSU’s vesting 5%, 15%, 40%, 40%.

Microsoft - Sr. SDE
Base 185
Sign on: 1st year 70k, 2nd year 30k
Stocks: $250k vesting over 4 years, 25% each year.

Current TC: 250k
YoE: 5

P.S: what’s up with every single person I dealt with at Amazon being an Indian, the recruiter, the HM, every single interviewer and the client lead... wft! Where is diversity?!

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  • Apple aifiemlaoa
    Apple to amazon can be downgrade in terms of resume. Microsoft is more better. In my opinion
    Jun 14 5
    • Apple beffjezous
      OP
      It is a downgrade, they were buttholes with the design questions at AWS, i told them I had no experience at all with what they are building, yet, they asked me to design it over and over again, very low level scalable search and storage design questions, i did pretty good, but, just for lack of experience they offered L5, with a salary of L6
      Jun 14
    • Apple aifiemlaoa
      Lol 😂
      Jun 14
    • Apple aifiemlaoa
      Would you have taken it if it was L6?
      Jun 14
    • Apple beffjezous
      OP
      Don’t know, based on the WLB i’ve seen at apple and what i heard about Amazon, i am leaning towards MSFT
      Jun 14
    • Apple aifiemlaoa
      MSFT is much better choice.
      Jun 14
  • Microsoft no-sql
    Amazon Tc is higher than msft. So amazon is obviously a choice. And amazon belong to ‘fang’ which looks great on resume
    Jun 14 5
    • Apple beffjezous
      OP
      But, amzn js a lower position, amzn wlf is like shit, amzn whole team and chain of command are indians until we reach Jeff subordinates (this is scaring me the most)
      Jun 14
    • Tableau krxi15
      Scary how?
      Jun 14
    • Apple beffjezous
      OP
      Being the only person who is not from india, how is that going to be? From cultural point of view, communication wise, any issue that arises, folks from india might stick together...
      Jun 14
    • Tableau krxi15
      You are complaining about the thing you yourself want to do ie. have your race members so you can stick together or are you saying your race doesn’t do that?
      Jun 15
    • Apple beffjezous
      OP
      😑 won’t even get into an argument with you, a bunch on indians on the team, what could go wrong? Nothing at all 😑
      Jun 15
  • Facebook ZUCK H$R$
    I have heard refreshers at msft and amzn are very low and really good at Apple. Why to leave then?
    Jun 14 6
    • Facebook ZUCK H$R$
      Good decision. Better to leave the toxic culture.
      btw, looking at your username, i think you have already made your choice. 😂
      Jun 14
    • Apple beffjezous
      OP
      😂 not yet entirely... still working on my decision tree, which somehow looks like a graph 🤣
      Jun 14
    • eBay / Eng yolo!!!
      Are you in IS&T?
      Jun 14
    • Apple beffjezous
      OP
      Nope. Even though the culture of IS&T is generally isn’t much different from the rest of Apple, the asshole, Steve Jobs, still has his residues all over the place...
      Jun 14
    • Autodesk boba415
      Lol keep spilling the beans!
      Jun 15
  • Okta doll$h
    Damn. That TC in Seattle!
    Jun 14 2
    • Apple beffjezous
      OP
      No, in Bay Area, both offers are in bay area
      Jun 14
    • Okta doll$h
      Gotcha.
      Jun 14
  • Microsoft hRlpqx
    Take Microsoft. If everyone you have dealt with from the future team shows no diversity and you already have doubt, it's your gut feeling telling you you to stay away. Also what you described of your current situation is more likely to happen in Amazon than in Microsoft.
    Jun 14 1
    • Apple beffjezous
      OP
      Yep... that’s why i’m stingy regarding Amazon... i have the offer though and I can pick any team now..
      Jun 14
  • Microsoft OqDv32
    I would take MSFT. What level did they offer at MSFT? 63 or 64?
    Jun 14 1
    • Apple beffjezous
      OP
      They didn’t say the level, so i’d think it’s a 63
      Jun 14
  • Discover Financial Services qwerty-/:
    Which org do you work at Apple ? And ICT4 ?
    Jun 14 3
    • Apple beffjezous
      OP
      ICT3, cannot share org, will be easier to be pinned
      Jun 14
    • Apple beffjezous
      OP
      I don’t know what’s not possible, I joined apple not too long ago, base is 185, stocks were 300k and sign on was 100
      Jun 14
    • Apple beffjezous
      OP
      That doesn’t make sense...
      Jun 15
  • Microsoft hyfcvjp
    are you really going to make the calculate the TC for you
    Jun 14 3
    • Apple beffjezous
      OP
      😂 at AWS, it’s constant, about 330k per year, at MSFT, first year is 320k, 2nd year is about 285k, but eligible for annual bonus and refreshers, which is not available at amazon
      Jun 14
    • Microsoft ryzen3
      Refreshers for 63/64 is at around 15-20k over 4 years and bonus is 15% target.
      Jun 14
    • Apple beffjezous
      OP
      Manager and recruiter told me, in writing that annual bonus is up to 30% of base, so I’d shoot to 20 minimum..
      Jun 14
  • Intuit Indiv. #1
    Is this before or after negotiating with each? If it’s after could you share initial offers?
    Jun 14 2
    • Apple beffjezous
      OP
      After negotiations and showing, literally, offers from 6 total companies
      Jun 14
    • Intuit Indiv. #1
      How much have they budged up?
      Jun 14
  • Microsoft quudhwnns
    That TvC at Amazon looks extremely high. Are you in AI? Your comp looks like Senior SDE. It is also rare Microsoft gave you senior for 5YOE. Congrats!
    Jun 14 1
    • Apple beffjezous
      OP
      I am not in AI but MSFT will be in an AI team. Amazon isn’t. With amazon, i cracked the SDE3 interview, but they offered SDE2 with senior pay due to lack of experience in the specific product...
      Jun 14
  • Databricks / Data
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    data4umore
    What kind of questions?
    Jun 14 1
    • Apple beffjezous
      OP
      Don’t exactly remember tbh, I don’t even do any LC, i just study the basic algorithms :)
      Jun 14
  • Apple aifiemlaoa
    Whats YOE?
    Jun 14 1
  • Amazon HAzq58
    Which level at msft ?
    Jun 14 0
  • Apple / Eng hdjjdjsbd
    Microsoft
    Jun 14 0

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