For those who want a Tl;dr (summary):
Isnt FANG preference based on being an employee for the rest of you life??? And therefore assumes you want to spend your life constantly working for someone else and climbin by ladders??
I asked a similar question a little earlier but, I want to drill down further on the reasonings behind why people prefer FANG as opposed to the companies that I mentioned and otherwise.
I would like to mention that I am the pointy beginning tip of my career and eventually plan to begin a start up while working at a Microsoft or Cisco. I plan to eventually ONLY be working at my start up.
Thankfully, I've managed to work (intern) at all types of businesses. Low-Tech (Northrop Grumman), High-Tech ( Microsoft), A start up , and I'm doing my last intership now (Cisco) (somewhere between
low and high tech?) ....
Why do people generally prefer fang over ICE? Shouldnt I want to choose a company in the ICE category if I lm looking to have enough time to create my own company???? If I want to have enough time to create my own company, shouldnt I avoid FANG?
For those who want a Tl;dr (summary):
- If I need to explain you that then you are living in black hole. Come out of it and see how many opportunities are out there to learn.
To start with no one cares about work. No deadlines, no innovation, no hiring of talented folks..managers themselves say that we don't hire bright because we do mediocre stuff. On top of that cisco pays peanuts as compared to rest of bay area companies. You grow and learn by working on interesting problems and with smart colleagues. And cisco has none of them. Do you want more reasons?May 15 2
- You seem to be very defensive when asked sincere questions. I hear people throw around how FANG is the best but usually they're only talking about Pay. Also, as for pay, when you adjust for the cost of living, FANG isnt necessarily all that great. Many of my Microsoft engineering peers struggled to buy a home And the homes they did finally buy were kinda shitty.May 15 1
- Cisco 736285839A lot of Cisco BUs have a ton of interesting stuff and innovation happening as the business model shifts.. if you’re good here you will grow fast and take on actual meaningful work impacting your whole BU, unlike FANG where you’ll be another average guy doing tasks all day.. if your bad here you can still hide easily, and focus on startup tooMay 15 1
- Cisco ynersaqHaha la$$en, why are you so salty dude? Damn.
I think Cisco’s great, to be honest. People are arguing that needing to grow means learning with other great people. I actually find my job fulfilling for a few reasons at Cisco:
1) Our product is actually meaningful in the sense that we’re bringing widespread internet to third world countries and are the original providers of internet at scale for us nerdy young folk. We’re not just building a web app like FB or LinkedIn.
2) I get paid like mid six figures working 35-40 hours a week on the East Coast in RTP, where my dollar goes waaaaay further. This allows me to do the same as OP - focus on outside interests.
3) If you’re competent, you can look like a champ around here. I agree with some posters that Cisco lacks some solid engineering skills in certain spaces — but it is also an opportunity to share knowledge and generally lead people to become better at their job. It also means that you get more stock grants and larger bonus (IPF 2+ all years) to continue to compensate for it.
Compensation is only one part of the package for most folks — me making $200k vs. $160k isn’t going to do much for me at this point, to be fair. I mean damn, even getting Director/VP at Cisco can be $500k+, so that’s an insane amount.May 16 1
- To start a startup you need to learn. And cisco is the shittiest place to learn as software engineers. And please don't compare microsoft and Cisco. Microsoft is doing many interesting stuff and overall doing very well. There are some bad orgs to work for at Microsoft but nothing like cisco.
- This is one of the dumbest posts I’ve ever seen on blind. Take a look at how many current successful founders are ex-FAANG vs ex-“ICE”. ‘Nuff said.
- Booking.com NgOl18Starting a start-up is one thing, and probably the easiest. Funding, finding product market fit, keeping it alive and growing is a completely different story. You won't learnt it at fang or ice unless your start-up is in the same category or they are you clients.
- This begs the question then, how can one reasonably expect to compete with FANG as a startup. Doesnt this depend on the goal of your startup? Also, I work in Customer Experience so wouldnt it make more sense to stay??? I'm asking not becaue I want to be stubborn but I'm asking sincerely.
- Microsoft / Eng GoivenglavFirst time I’ve heard ICE. I’m not sure it’s that simple. FAANG as well as Microsoft and any large company are going to want you to be a continuous learner, because they want a long term investment. They may not necessarily be about you working non-stop and never having any free time to develop your side hustle. The exception is of course that you cannot have another job, usually, as it competes for your time and it’s a conflict of interest. But developing your business plan on the side until it’s viable for funding, is your own private business. I’ve known people at IBM that are overworked and stressed because they are constantly hounded by their boss. So I’m not sure where you get the idea that it’s going to offer you a ton of WLB.