Tech IndustryNov 23, 2019
OracleJOqO65

FB E5 vs Google L4

6yoe. FB offered E5 and Google downlevelled me to L4 (i interviewed for L5) Which one to choose? Career progression is important for which Facebook looks lucrative but good WLB is also a priority! For TC, Google is matching large percentage of FB's offer - so that is lesser of an issue. At Google, if I join, would want to get promoted sooner than later. How hard is it?

Apple 🐒codemonk Nov 23, 2019

FYI I’ve seen people at Google with four straight strongly exceed expectations not getting promoted from L4 to L5, claiming that they need superb rating

Google Rilakkuma Nov 23, 2019

Uncommon

Oracle JOqO65 OP Nov 23, 2019

How hard is it then? What do they look for generally?

Compass czw Nov 23, 2019

Do you want to spend 80% of your time undermining democracy or 20% of your time undermining democracy?

SpaceX iBxD68 Nov 23, 2019

Which is which?

Microsoft TC_slut Nov 23, 2019

Yes

PayPal pypl.me Nov 23, 2019

At google, promotions will definitely be hard to come by. Your decision will depend on how much exactly you value wlb vs career progression. For me it's simple, to give up wlb, I will need to see a significant difference in pay. Likewise you need to find that equation for yourself. And no one else can make that call for you.

Facebook LuisFigo Nov 23, 2019

Fb for sure.

LinkedIn U💰S💰D Nov 23, 2019

G L4 to L5 is probably easier than FB L5 to L6

Apple zJAH50 Nov 23, 2019

You are looking at this all wrong, if TC is almost the same go to the place you feel will help you grow your skills, promotion will come when you are at a good place that can get the most out of you.

Google horabcn Nov 23, 2019

Another thing to keep in mind: E5 refreshers will be way bigger than L4 refreshers. And because L4 is the terminal level, getting promoted to L5 is not a given even if you are performing at L5 for multiple years. On the other hand, expectations for E5 will be a lot higher, and FB is not shy about managing people out in under a year.

Amazon compare Nov 23, 2019

☝️these are really good points. The higher you are, the more repercussions of failure. TC will be higher tho. Also Level 5 is sort of equivalent to manager?

Google anil_ Nov 23, 2019

E5 is also terminal at Facebook

Bloomberg lUIE56 Nov 23, 2019

Is L4 the terminal level? I always thought it was L5 that was the terminal level?

Google cloudy sky Nov 23, 2019

L4 is terminal at Google now. E5 terminal at FB.

Bloomberg lUIE56 Nov 23, 2019

When did that change?

Google cloudy sky Nov 23, 2019

Google promotes very slowly. Even when you expect promo, you’ll probably get it the cycle after.

Microsoft VJyS55 Apr 28, 2020

Half year is acceptable...

Oracle JOqO65 OP Nov 23, 2019

Thanks for information and your perspectives. Very helpful!