Facebook E6 or Google T5?

Amazon clampr10
Apr 24, 2018 52 Comments

This week got offers from Facebook and Google. Need to make a decision. Wanted opinion on certain aspects.

Offer details,
Total work experience 9years. Currently Senior SDE at Amazon (Total 430 k , thanks to stocks appreciation but targeted at 345-350)

Facebook - 210k , 960k stocks spread across 4 years
And 70k signon. I think 20% bonus. This is for E6 , which recruiter mentioned is equivalent to Senior tech lead/Principal in other firms.

Google (After facebook negotiation) - 190k base, 720k stocks 4 years monthly vest and 50k signon. 15% bonus iirc. This is T5 , senior.

Both are verbal offers and still open.

Google HR mentioned level can not be changed since hiring committe feels I need more substantial experience(Not even sure what it means).

Certainly Facebook comp seems better, however team matched in Google complements my domain expertise.

How difficult is to go from T5 to T6 in Google?

Also reason I am looking out is WlB (pulling 70hrs a week from past year), does Fb have manageable workload ?

Any idea about general accepted ramp up time in Fb before being productive for E6 ?

Thank you in advance for help.

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TOP 52 Comments
  • Google Facebook
    Is that for Seattle?
    Apr 24, 2018 8
    • Google Facebook
      Check out https://www.teamblind.com/article/google-engineer---total-compensation-in-us---ultimate-post-jYcrij5X

      FB will burn your WBL at E6.
      That’s top 1% of all L5 in US, not mentioning we rarely hire at 5 anyone with less than 10+ yoe externally.
      Take it and thank me later :)
      How old are you btw?
      Apr 25, 2018
    • Amazon clampr10
      OP
      Thanks for the link , you really know your numbers. Yeah it looks like Google initial offered me median and then went beyond because of Fb. I have decided to take Fb for time being. I am in my early 30s.
      Apr 28, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      When do you join?
      Apr 28, 2018
    • Amazon clampr10
      OP
      Plan is sometime in early/mid July , take 3 weeks off and wrap up some current stuff in work before
      Apr 28, 2018
    • Amazon Nkbf63
      How is WLB @ FB as E6, now that you’ve been there a couple of months?
      Nov 28, 2018
  • Facebook / Eng
    rush

    Facebook Eng

    PRE
    Amazon
    rushmore
    SDE3 @9 years of experience coming in at E6 may be a bit of a stretch. Expectations are very high at E6, review cycles are 6 months, WLB is pretty bad in a lot of teams, there’s non-trivial adjustment to culture - all things that will add up to make it pretty stressful.
    Apr 24, 2018 5
    • Mesosphere onsie
      I don’t think a SDE-3 coming in at E6 is a stretch by any imagination. What makes you think so?
      Apr 24, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng
      rush

      Facebook Eng

      PRE
      Amazon
      rushmore
      That I came from Amazon and I actually work at Facebook?
      Apr 24, 2018
    • Mesosphere onsie
      I know of plenty of others in the same boat. They seem to be doing pretty well?
      Apr 25, 2018
    • Amazon clampr10
      OP
      Yeah, I have that fear as well, hence I asked about general accepted time to ramp up before hitting the ground running. Rather than gradually get accustomed Fb expects to almost immediately start influencing and delivering . I am pretty confident to eventually get accustomed though. Probably I need to decide whether I am ready for at least 5-6 months of initial stress. Maybe worth a shot ..
      Apr 25, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng
      rush

      Facebook Eng

      PRE
      Amazon
      rushmore
      It helps if you know exactly which team you are going to because of their need for your domain expertise. If that’s not the case, it is tougher.

      I’m personally very glad I came in as E5 and then got promoted to E6 relatively quickly after proving myself. It would’ve been way more stress if I came in as E6 directly.
      Apr 25, 2018
  • Amazon clampr10
    OP
    Decided to go ahead with Fb E6. Reasoning being I can always later go to Google T5 or if need be come back to Amzn to L6. So not a lot of downside even if I crash and burn. On the other hand little bit of cash doesn't hurt :)
    Apr 28, 2018 3
    • Microsoft / Eng AmI3vil
      Thanks for updating the thread.
      Apr 28, 2018
    • Apple jvSQ82
      Good luck. Is this for ML role?
      Apr 28, 2018
    • Deutsche Bank / Eng Sighert
      How has the transition been ??
      Nov 20, 2018
  • Facebook gLKg44
    The FB offer is definitely better, and both base and stock grant seem top of the range. However if WLB is a concern at all, Google is by far the better choice. Very high stress is the norm at FB and you're expected to be ok with it.
    Apr 24, 2018 1
    • Amazon clampr10
      OP
      Thanks for reply. I see it is almost common consensus that Fb doesn't have that great of Wlb. But the offer is making me think twice !!
      Apr 25, 2018
  • Google tcCd20
    Get G to match FB and take G. Wlb will be better. T6 at G and FB are equivalent from what I hear so FB expectations will be much higher.
    Apr 24, 2018 5
    • Amazon clampr10
      OP
      This is final offer from G (and this was after letting them know about Fb). They looked reluctant to negotiate initially as well.
      Apr 25, 2018
    • Google tcCd20
      If you value 90k per year more than wlb go fb. If you're fine staying at T5 at G for a while while having good wlb compared to fb and don't care about comp increasing more then go G.
      Apr 25, 2018
    • Amazon clampr10
      OP
      After I spoke to some current Fb folks it seems it is initial phase of 6-7 months which is difficult , but gets easier m so taking a shot at Fb
      Apr 28, 2018
    • Google tcCd20
      Good luck!
      Apr 29, 2018
    • Google UWOM24
      How did it go at FB? Can you please share the experience?
      Nov 5
  • Facebook Wyo
    Don’t come to FB for wlb, specially as an e6 new hire. You have to work hard to prove you deserve your level because you don’t have working history at FB
    Apr 24, 2018 1
    • Amazon clampr10
      OP
      I thought interviews were sufficient to prove that I can operate at the level hence the offer. Honestly, I would have expected some time for industry laterals to settle in before the expectation to perform at high level kicks in. Though it seems Fb seems to have different expectation.
      Apr 25, 2018
  • Google HcTT35
    It's not easy to make T6 at google.
    Apr 24, 2018 1
    • Amazon clampr10
      OP
      Yeah, that is the impression I have. Lots of things need to lineup to have a shot at T6 I guess.
      Apr 25, 2018
  • New Zyi56tw
    Take FB. They have already pegged you higher. Just prove yourself solidly and try for E7 in few years. My 2 cents.
    Apr 24, 2018 0
  • Microsoft ZuckB
    Go to FB, grind it out for another year then go to google as T6 to rest. From all I hear, it’s not at all easy to go from T5 to T6 in google. They are unlikely to downlevel you though if you go from e6 at FB.
    Apr 25, 2018 3
    • Facebook gLKg44
      You will still be downleveled if you were E6 for only a year before switching.
      Apr 25, 2018
    • Google tcCd20
      Why is level that important? If you can get paid the same for a lower level with less expectations why not just do that?
      Apr 25, 2018
    • Microsoft ZuckB
      Because T5 is not high enough to retire at and just about everyone who can walk and talk at google gets there. Not everyone makes it to T6 though, so less competition for resources and high enough to focus on WLB if you choose to, and easier to climb up if you choose to. This is if he’s planning to stay long term, if you are optimizing for short term gain it’s a different story.
      Apr 25, 2018
  • Facebook / Eng
    fb2017

    Facebook Eng

    PRE
    Google, Oracle
    BIO
    worked at Oracle, then Google, now Facebook.
    fb2017more
    E6 is very tough as new hire at fb. If you like challenge, come to an. Otherwise Google.
    Apr 25, 2018 0
  • Facebook
    alterego

    Facebook

    PRE
    Microsoft
    BIO
    dev, human,
    alteregomore
    If you are concerned about team match, talk to your FB recruiter, they will connect to a team close to your area of interest. Not being prealocated to a team offers chance to explore, if don't want that chance, and you are looking for a particular team, that team will be very happy not to compete for you with other teams.
    Apr 25, 2018 1
    • Amazon clampr10
      OP
      Thanks , I do have couple of teams in mind where I do have kind of domain expertise. Recruiter already has let the respective managers know. So it would be one of those based on their roadmap(post I join and explore). So going ahead with E6 now.
      Apr 28, 2018
  • Apple jvSQ82
    I would go for Facebook. Isn’t E6 higher than T5?
    Apr 24, 2018 1
    • Amazon clampr10
      OP
      There is some intersect, but usually yes
      Apr 25, 2018
  • Amazon fCtq34
    E6 is definitely better. But it may be a bit of stretch.
    Apr 24, 2018 1
    • Amazon clampr10
      OP
      Yup going with E6.
      Apr 28, 2018
  • Google / Product callofwild
    Both incredibly strong offers, I think you've got to go with your gut on where you'd feel best able to add value and be happy.
    Apr 24, 2018 1
    • Amazon clampr10
      OP
      Thanks for the reply, yeah I see pros and cons for both. Might as well sleep on it for couple of days and go with gut feel. Choosing seems more stressful that giving interviews(maybe because now I actually need to pull the trigger)
      Apr 25, 2018
  • Apple 4ll4d
    Same question as ^. Would love to hear some feedback after a few months on the job as E6 :)
    Nov 27, 2018 0
  • Snapchat qkSQ81
    And how has the transition been? Is E6 tough as claimed?
    Oct 3, 2018 0
  • Google Sergey Got
    Any update on your experience? I am In the same boat
    Jul 2 0
  • Amazon 97unvd
    Any news to share?
    Feb 6 0
  • Facebook / Eng
    fb2017

    Facebook Eng

    PRE
    Google, Oracle
    BIO
    worked at Oracle, then Google, now Facebook.
    fb2017more
    Yes, would like op cone to share experience. As E6 hire at fb, the past one and half years are pretty tough for me.
    Nov 27, 2018 0
  • Google tcCd20
    Good luck!
    Apr 29, 2018 0

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