Compensation

Facebook M1 Comp Package

Apple / MgmtAnonyMe
Dec 2

FB decided they’re moving forward with an offer for M1 (level 6). Google is giving me the answer early this week (expecting it to be positive).

Now FB wants me to tell them my comp expectations. First question: should I really give them a number? What would be a good negotiation strategy?

My TC at Apple has been ~600k for the past two years. I’ve been thinking of asking them to match my unvested stocks (~600k), a base salary of $240-250 (my target is $230), and I’m open minded about a hiring bonus.

Are these numbers realistic?

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  • Facebook / Other
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    I’m a recruiter at Facebook. Giving the recruiter zero information as they go to the comp team to put your offer together is the worst thing you can possibly do. It takes longer to get what you want and does you no good. If they go in with zero information, they put an offer together based on a market assessment which may or may not hit what you want.

    They can’t ask your current salary (and won’t) but you can give them ammo to work i.e. comp expectations, invested stock, bonuses you’ll be missing out on, competing offers. All of that information is wildly helpful to the recruiter in getting you an offer you’ll actually take.
    Dec 25
    • Thanks. Is levels.fyi or blind salaries accurate ?
      Dec 2
    • Facebook / Other
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      It’s too generalized. Facebook is so big now there are a zillion different teams with a zillion different ranges. In general? Sure. Don’t quote it though.
      Dec 2
    • Apple / MgmtAnonyMe
      OP
      Thank you for responding! Do you think base of $240k makes sense?
      Dec 2
    • Facebook / Other
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      I honestly don't know without knowing more about the team and location
      Dec 2
    • Facebook UOvH13
      Facebook is always known to pay above market rate. That’s is their strategy. I would recommend not sharing initial numbers first!
      Dec 2
  • LinkedIn GsHf54
    600k rsu is low forM1. Ask for 1m or at least 800k. Otherwise it will be a significant pay cut to you, right?
    Dec 22
    • Google KuJA63
      Maybe because Apple pays higher bonus and less equity?
      Dec 2
    • Google / EngBTGoth
      I got $600k in RSUs at Google as L4 so I would expect at least $800k for FB E6
      Dec 2
  • Facebook supichai
    Overpaid
    Dec 22
    • Apple / MgmtAnonyMe
      OP
      Thanks. Could you elaborate a bit?
      Dec 2
    • Facebook supichai
      I am known on Blind! Nice
      7d
  • Twitch Qwernry
    You should give a number at 10-20% higher than what you make at Apple saying that’s the minimum to even consider FB and say you want the offer to reflect your skills and abilities adequately.
    Dec 21
    • Google KuJA63
      I agree. This is good advice.

      Take salary and multiply by 10-15% and equity by 20-40% depending on comfort level (equity has the biggest rage in negotiation).
      Dec 2
  • Facebook SuchATrip
    If you're in California by law Facebook can't ask you for your current salary. Make them take the first move and then see the same from Google. After that contrast that with your current compensation. If you're in California you can ask Apple to tell you where you are within your band compared to new hires (Market) and from there you can figure out whether your numbers are realistic or not given where you are on the band.
    Dec 22
    • Apple / MgmtAnonyMe
      OP
      Thanks. They can’t ask me for my current comp, but asking for expectations is the current practice. Why would you make them make the first move? What if they offer something like $200k and I’m expecting $230k?
      Dec 2
    • Facebook / Other
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      This is bad advice and inaccurate. They can only tell you where you are in the band if you volunteer your current compensation. Tell them what you want (maybe a little higher) and let the recruiter do their job.
      Dec 2
  • New / Eng
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    I know a few ppl who got this offer:
    100k sign on, 210-220 base, 20% target bonus, 1M RSU.

    Base will be hard to go above 230k, thats L7 level.. but you can definitely get 1M RSU and 100k sign on
    Dec 21
    • Apple / MgmtAnonyMe
      OP
      Awesome! Thanks!
      Dec 2
  • Dropbox uKQo66
    @OP: please let us know what they end up offering you?
    Dec 30
  • Capital One A-team
    @op, congrats! I was told 500k is the median for M1.

    Were you assigned to a certain team or are you going to find a team at boot camp?
    Dec 24
    • Facebook lahdtwjks
      no. median is about 210k base, 40k bonus, 200k rsu. of course, if you consider sign on, and refresher, it is different.
      Dec 2
    • Apple / MgmtAnonyMe
      OP
      210k is surprisingly low. Thanks for sharing though. Are you in management? SW org?

      There’s no boot camp for managers. You’re assigned a team by chatting with hiring managers that are interested in you.
      Dec 2
    • Facebook lahdtwjks
      yes, i am talking about sw org. there is boot camp for m, but not for team match.
      Dec 2
    • Capital One A-team
      Thanks @lahdtwjks @AnonyMe
      Dec 2
  • DoorDash DD++
    I recently had an M1 offer from them. The max comp is around 510-520k.
    Dec 23
    • Apple / MgmtAnonyMe
      OP
      Thanks!
      Dec 2
    • LinkedIn GsHf54
      Would you mind sharing the breakdown?
      Dec 2
    • Facebook fkxcpw
      Max possible comp is much higher than that
      Dec 2
  • Target / Eng.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    From what I understand reading Blind the L6 and M1 packages do not differ - therefore those numbers seem perfectly within reason. Definitely check levels.fyi for validation though.
    Dec 23
    • Apple / MgmtAnonyMe
      OP
      Thanks. Not sure I understand your last comment though “Definitely check levels.fyi for validation though.” They already said L6.
      Dec 2
    • Target / Eng.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
      Go check out levels.fyi to see what other E6s make at Facebook.
      Dec 2
    • Apple / MgmtAnonyMe
      OP
      I didn’t know levels.fyi. Thanks for the tip.
      Dec 2
  • Microsoft Wiiiiii
    600k stock is no problem...
    Dec 23
    • Apple / MgmtAnonyMe
      OP
      What about base salary? That’s really the one I’m a little concerned.
      Dec 2
    • Google / Eng
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      I think you should ask for a major bump in rsu. Like 1.5m
      Dec 2
    • Apple / MgmtAnonyMe
      OP
      Thanks for the tip.
      Dec 2
  • Facebook / MgmtRonWalt
    500K isn’t the median for M1 - it’s 450K
    Dec 22
    • Apple / MgmtAnonyMe
      OP
      Thanks for responding. Are you an M1 at FB? Are you in a SW org? Just trying to understand whether 450K would be relevant to the position they’re offering me.
      Dec 2
    • Microsoft Wiiiiii
      It depends on your YOE. There are many M1s < 5 YOE.
      Dec 2
  • Facebook lahdtwjks
    your tc is much higher than typical m1 at fb.
    Dec 22
    • Facebook / MgmtRonWalt
      Yep agree. You’d have to come in as M2 to get the comp you want
      Dec 2
    • Apple / MgmtAnonyMe
      OP
      Got it. Thanks!
      Dec 2
  • What’s the scope difference between m1 and m2?
    Dec 21
    • Apple / MgmtAnonyMe
      OP
      According to the recruiters, M2s are managers of managers and ideally do not manage engineers directly. M1s can also manage managers. I’d love if folks from FB could comment on it though.
      Dec 2
  • Juniper Pliny Jr.
    OP, What is the role and what dept. It largely hinges on this for advise on comp.
    Dec 21
    • Apple / MgmtAnonyMe
      OP
      Thank you for responding. I prefer to not share the org though. Even though I know folks would be able to help me even more if I did.
      Dec 2
  • Vungle jingjong
    Lot of confusion in this thread. Rsu is over 4 years so 800k is 200 per year. 200+ 240 cash is 440k ?
    6d0
  • Facebook lahdtwjks
    i dont think yoe can boost tc a lot. those m1 < 5 yoe are usually promoted internally. external hired m1s usually have much yoe. we are talking about external hiring, because internal promoted m1s' tc highly depends on when they joined fb.
    Dec 20
  • Facebook / MgmtRonWalt
    Typical M1 is $200-230K base, $800K equity
    Dec 20
  • Tesla T-M3
    If you make 600k right now, I would tell them I’m looking into 700k annually, with some flexibility on the base vs equity.
    Dec 20

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