Fired from Microsoft a few years ago. Is it permanent black list?

Amazon / Ops Nonese
Sep 29, 2017 44 Comments

I was let go from Microsoft around three or four years ago. I never found out exactly why but I was definitely fired. Is this a permanent Blacklist? And is it a blacklist from vendor as well as FTE? Is there any way that someone would be able to look up the details for me on my exact situation?

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  • Facebook Offshoot
    How come you were fired (i.e. not a layoff) and you don't know why?

    You must know what wrong things you did, even if you don't know whether they found out.

    If you definitely did nothing wrong, and you were given no explanation of why you were fired, then you can sue them for wrongful termination.
    Sep 29, 2017 13
    • Amazon hkrguy7xy
      Doesn't need to chill... The level of stupidity and idiocy on this app is ridiculous. Its just being called out and rightly so. If you lose your job, but can't figure out if you were laid off our fired, then yes, you are a fucking idiot and the problem is you.
      Sep 30, 2017
    • Airbnb Sankara
      You were employed at will, but employers like Microsoft don’t just fire like that on a whim, because it opens them up to wrongful termination lawsuits where you can allege you were fired for a protected reason. So HR demands a well documented reason, either a performance issue (with PIP) or something egregious.

      My thought is that you did something that’s so embarrassing that you don’t want to bring it up.
      Sep 30, 2017
    • PayPal ❌✔️
      Did you watch porn on work laptop or went to dark web or something?
      Sep 30, 2017
    • Microsoft eOYc43
      If you killed a co-worker and got fired or if you did insider trading then spent time jail, then I don't think you will be re-hired.
      Sep 30, 2017
    • Microsoft pkzip
      Were you Orange badge contractor? Other than layoff, that's about the only situation where your employment can just end without due notice.
      Oct 1, 2017
  • Amazon / Ops Nonese
    OP
    I am really sure. And there is no such thing as wrongful termination in the state of Washington look it up. You can only sue if you are a protected class and you're fired for being part of that class
    Sep 29, 2017 4
    • Facebook Offshoot
      You are incompetent and fired for poor performance. Own it. Work harder
      Sep 29, 2017
    • HealthNow / Eng iskittles
      Facebook, don't be a douche.
      Sep 30, 2017
    • Microsoft Sn0wM@n
      Facebook is not being a douche. OP, reread everything you wrote in this thread, you are either extremely dumb, high or clueless. I want to fire you just for starting this thread
      Sep 30, 2017
    • Facebook Offshoot
      Yeah, it seems OP is just trying to troll.
      Oct 1, 2017
  • Microsoft zcqs20
    Not as a vendor. I know a really great guy who got fired because of his true moron manager, and he joined as a vendor, because of blacklist.

    Can you apply as an FTE, I don't know, sorry. Not an hr...
    Sep 29, 2017 5
    • Amazon / Ops Nonese
      OP
      Are you 100 sure as a vendor? I was told by HR after being fired that even no vendor
      Sep 29, 2017
    • Microsoft zcqs20
      I am sure in this particular case (formal reason: low performance, so there is no reason to not hire as a vendor). Definitely it does not cover all cases. I.e. if there was a criminal investigation and damages for the company, I am pretty sure that even not a vendor.
      Sep 29, 2017
    • Amazon / Ops Nonese
      OP
      Interesting. I now recall the manager said something about low performance and about the review would be a disaster for me so she was actually doing it to help me somehow. And I think now I remember that HR said that vendor was a maybe and they couldn't say for sure. I really wish there was a way I could know for certain
      Sep 29, 2017
    • New / Eng
      tkj365

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      tkj365more
      Perhaps, and just throwing it out there, you could have listened when they fired you? Personally, just move on. There are better companies out there.
      Sep 30, 2017
    • Microsoft zcqs20
      You do realize that this is not something guaranteed, don't you? What hr meant most probably was "you're welcome to apply as a vendor, just don't expect that you'll get any preference because you were an FTE before".

      I think when you're hired as a vendor, you're always hired by a 3rd party. 3rd party then sends you to a manager who looks for vendors. Manager can say no-go, he cannot code. But it doesn't come through Microsoft's hr. Of course, if you are a convicted criminal, you'll be filtered out because of background check. If you were low performer, I don't see who'd blacklist you.
      Sep 30, 2017
  • Amazon / Eng
    mUqi08

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    mUqi08more
    Let me be the mean guy in the room to ask you if you really are sure you don't know the reason you are fired, and were not communicated on any improvement plan.

    Ignorant of improvement plan or warning is firable for sure, but if they set you up and pretend that you are on improvement plan but you are not, you can sue them for wrongful termination.

    Are you really sure you don't know? You may not be blacklisted but you will not have a good reputation to get back in.
    Sep 29, 2017 3
    • Facebook Offshoot
      This OP is just an incompetent idiot, or trolling for amusement. Of course he knows why he was fired - incompetence and refusal to accept performance plan. If so, he deserves to be blacklisted at all companies, even Amazon. Either way, ignore
      Sep 29, 2017
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Pagefault

      Microsoft Eng

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      Hate coding quizzes but studying hard for better future!
      Pagefaultmore
      Wow that is cruel. Especially facebook guy.
      Sep 30, 2017
    • Microsoft zcqs20
      You just don't know how the firing process works. OP's description makes perfect sense. If your manager hates you, and knows the process (HR trains managers...) then everything will be written, will take months, and you'll probably have no clue till you're fired. Since there will be paper trail, no legal problem for the company. And, right, if you're just 3 months at work, you'll be in total shock and won't ask questions. It's rare to fire after 3 months, but it happens. I know at least one such case.
      Sep 30, 2017
  • Microsoft / Eng
    Pagefault

    Microsoft Eng

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    Pagefaultmore
    So was is layoff or were you fired? Firing someone is not easy as manager needs to gather enough evidence to prove. My manager said it takes a year to fire someone; therefore, I suspect it was layoff. If it was layoff, I think you can come back after 1.5 year or something. Were you FTE or vendor?
    Sep 29, 2017 3
    • Microsoft zcqs20
      I worked with a guy who was laid off. He got a fat severance package, and spent few months travelling... He got rehired less than a year after layoff, no objection from hr.
      Sep 29, 2017
    • Amazon / Ops Nonese
      OP
      Definitely not a layoff. It was only like 3 months in. And they said something about low performance and I didn't respond to attempts to manage my low performance even though there actually were no attempts or even any communication with my manager. That's when they told me that there doesn't really need to be a reason. I was FTE
      Sep 29, 2017
    • Microsoft zcqs20
      I've heard stories like that, many of them. There are moronic managers like that, and I happened to work near them. Hmm, I can probably ask what categories if fired people exist, and if it's possible to apply. If you can send me your name/your former manager name as a private message, and if you are really inclined to apply to MS.
      Sep 30, 2017
  • Microsoft Xkenbfjs
    Your termination letter will have the terms of rehiring. Question answered.

    Thanks,
    AskHR
    Oct 1, 2017 0
  • Motorola NgQJ50
    rofl. This post is amusing! Seriously, you don't know yourself why were you fired? I agree with the Facebook guy, this post was probably open for trolling.
    Sep 30, 2017 0
  • Microsoft / Eng
    Pierre

    Microsoft Eng

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    Pierremore
    I know a guy who was laid off. He got a severance package, and got rehired less than 2 years after layoff, no objection from hr.
    Sep 29, 2017 0
  • Microsoft pkzip
    I think a lot of us are confused because we're coming at this from an engineering or product team perspective. Maybe the OP worked in the mail room, stocked shelves at the mall store, an admin assistant, or in a role that pays hourly instead of salary. In other words, a position where retention isn't valued. Maybe if the OP described his position, what city he's in, and job title, we could ascertain more... But but I'm going to be shocked if it's software eng in Redmond.
    Oct 2, 2017 0
  • Microsoft / Eng XGsa73
    I guess the best way to know would be to apply for a job there. Reach out to your previous co-worker and see if anyone is hiring.
    Sep 29, 2017 2
    • Amazon / Ops Nonese
      OP
      I'm actually super happy with my current position. I just would like to know that the option is out there just in case. Not being able to work at Microsoft is taking a lot of jobs off the table if I need to look
      Sep 29, 2017
    • New / Eng
      tkj365

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      tkj365more
      No, no it isn't. Your single sightedness is.
      Sep 30, 2017
  • Amazon khgfdf
    Not sure why everyone doubts the OP. He was only there for three months then fired. No doubt he was doing something below expectations from his manager.

    But it's entirely possible he had a really shitty manager that never did give him proper feedback. Could be that the manager is also lying to HR saying there were clear feedbacks but then in 1:1 with the OP was sugar coating it until he was fired.

    Lots of new managers and bad managers have difficulty actually delivering negative feedback. Entirely possible this manager was upwardly saying feedback is being delivered then going to talk to the OP and making only really mild statements.

    I've seen that before.

    So then the OP might have a wrongful termination case, but it would be really hard to prove and even if he won, what would he get? With only three months employment he might win maximum a couple weeks pay. If that.

    So I don't think most people would bring that case, too much work and hard to prove for too little reward.

    Those who are doubting the story do you REALLY think there are no bad managers at MSFT? There are lots of bad managers out there.

    OP, you probably did fall short somewhere and maybe you can think of things you could do better but I don't doubt your story.
    Sep 30, 2017 1
    • Amazon / Ops Nonese
      OP
      Thank you. This is all exactly correct.
      Sep 30, 2017
  • eBay / Other Tormunde
    I got a promotion this year but honestly dont know why. Would love to know why.

    Does this mean im permanently whitelisted?
    Sep 30, 2017 1
    • Amazon khgfdf
      Yes. Ok to stop working, rest and vest. Show up at work only when you want to find a lunch partner or happy hour pal.
      Sep 30, 2017

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