Fuck these exploitation visas

New lopnin
Oct 16, 2017 623 Comments

That's it, enough drama. These idiotic visas (h1b) look like they exploit us enough until there's nothing left for us.

After rethinking about my parents' situation and seeing the truth that these fuckin green cards take forever to land (indian nationality), I've decided to do one of these things within next 2 years

- Get a green card by building my own company and employing Americans or investing 1m in rural areas, then bring and have my parents here as dependants
- Go back to india, forget all bullshit, and not give a fuck about the lifestyle there and live with my parents and run my own businesses.

Anyone with the same thoughts?

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  • Intel djhdudjfhf
    Wow! As an Indian that went through the process.....aren't we doing this willingly? The only reason you stay is because you thought this was your best option....and you knew the rules of the game before you signed up.
    I don't intend to be rude, but what do you expect? There country has the right to set the rules however they want and we have the option to play or not play.
    Oct 16, 2017 19
    • Tableau / Eng immmmmmm
      Instead of blaming the US immigration system, you should be blaming the whole Indian population and cheating ICCs
      Oct 17, 2017
    • Apple SwimDeep
      Citation needed for “too many GCs issued by consulting companies”.
      Oct 17, 2017
    • Facebook day9
      Stop blaming ICCs . Raise the minimum the salary for H1B or get Americans to stop hiring them. Every ICC is hired by a greedy corporate American sitting in HQ.
      Oct 18, 2017
    • New ie00836
      Quotas are totally fine with me. It would not be fair the opposite way. Now we are getting 1 Chinese, 1 German, 1 Russian, 1 Mexican, 1 Indian, etc etc, person processed each day. Without quota we will have only one person of non-Indian nationality processed for each 100 (more?) Indian people. How is that fair and not discriminatory for others? And yeah - you definitely can easily known your wait time just by reading open internet resources.
      Oct 23, 2017
    • Spring Studio / Other ioTA14
      In theory. I agree with everyone that says that is fair to have a cap. In practice, only people of color suffer from the caps. I'm a Latino that looks white, with European last name. my wait was very short compared to other people from my country with brown skin and Spanish last names. They are still waiting.
      Oct 23, 2017
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    • Google PICn50
      I am not sure. I have seen bay area, which happens to be a melting spot for sure. But i also have seen many unamerican things along the way, from all nations. This is what makes me think diversity based on nation is probably not too bad. Melting pot concept mostly works in areas where there is a culture of doing so, like in silicon valley. What about everywhere else?
      Oct 16, 2017
    • Alston & Bird helium365
      Also, Googler PICn50 - there is a difference between colonizing v. taking over a country to govern its people just like it's own citizens. Huge difference. .
      Oct 16, 2017
    • Alston & Bird helium365
      I'd be interested in knowing what is UnAmerican to understand if your argument in favor of per country caps. What is American is defined by the melting pot itself. So, it is a fluid concept. Guns are fairly American but I'm certain the dominant sentiment in Silicon Valley is to have controls over possession.
      Oct 16, 2017
    • Facebook day9
      Great point about diversity in India. Just because Europe is split into tens of countries they get more slots. In reality the diversity across Europe is around the same as across the whole of India. The diversity argument is actually weak.
      Oct 17, 2017
    • Microsoft chownus
      @day9, first off gotta love the name :)

      And yes whatever countries you want to identify as that's fine. But the point is that America is not a mini Earth, we accept EQUAL amounts from all countries. Sorry that yours is really big, ours is too.
      Oct 17, 2017
  • Twitter shdjskpqpn
    Please don’t trivialise slavery by comparing to a voluntary situation in which you’ve placed yourself by you choice.
    The very fact that you say you’ve two choices to take means it’s not slavery. In slavery, you’ve no choices.
    Oct 16, 2017 4
    • New lopnin
      OP
      Understood, but the green card promise is way too imaginary for us right now and the way we live here with these ton of restrictions with the only excuse being employment unfortunately brings this slang to me. But thank you, you are right.
      Oct 16, 2017
    • Twitter shdjskpqpn
      It’s not slavery. Please don’t use that word. It’s not even indentured servitude.
      Call it a betrayal of promise or call it shallow american dream.
      Oct 16, 2017
    • New lopnin
      OP
      I'm going to change the title, thanks again
      Oct 16, 2017
    • Microsoft Caterpilla
      👆👆 This
      Oct 16, 2017
  • Facebook h5NEgTBY
    I'm very happy India has a separate line, otherwise I'd never have gotten my green card. Why the hell all Indians want to move to the US?
    Oct 17, 2017 25
    • Microsoft Terabyte
      Life is not 100% fair.
      We deal with the cards we have and make the best with what we are given.
      in terms of GC I only see Indians complain.
      If one company has 100 customers and only 3 are unhappy I think the company is doing great business. It’s impossible to please everyone isn’t it?
      I understand your frustration but the US is not only for Indians. Every one must have the same chance so in my opinion the quotas are fair.
      If you don’t find it fair chose another country. This one doesn’t owe us anything. We chose to be here and we knew the rules before.
      Oct 18, 2017
    • Seattle Genetics TaAW26
      Believe me, none of us think life is fair. Just because it's the rule doesn't make it right. Not to draw any parallels, but slavery was legal once.

      Most people just want to be treated equal to their peers and want only to be judged based on their merits and want equal opportunities. Equality based on merits. Not special treatment. I don't think it's too much to ask for.

      And we all knew what we signed up for and continually deal with what is handed to us. We choose to vent our frustrations on such platforms. And you too can choose to ignore our comments rather than judging us for our life choices and suggesting alternatives. Bye.
      Oct 18, 2017
    • Kaspersky Lab Tyrtfds
      Seattle Genetics, treatment based on merit is discriminative either, it automatically discriminates people not being able to afford Ivy League, and every other Indian with Harvard degree is better than Indian with degree from India.
      Oct 20, 2017
    • VMware rand_
      OP you are stupid as bat shit, why do you have to generalize and through random statements around and keep arguing on and on. Just take back what you said "I'm very happy India has a separate line, otherwise I'd never have gotten my green card. Why the hell all Indians want to move to the US?" And chill out
      Oct 20, 2017
    • PayPal Vedicon
      I agree, diversity has to be maintained. It’s already like India here in the valley. I am indian and I want diversity around me!
      Oct 20, 2017
  • Microsoft JonHolmes
    Instead of complaining about the US, why don't you make Indian Great Again?
    Oct 17, 2017 45
    • Alston & Bird bladerun9
      I also volunteered and taught kids from poor economic backgrounds for free for more than a year in India. I currently handle an asylum case for a torture and persecution victim, pro-bono. That means for free.
      Oct 19, 2017
    • Alston & Bird bladerun9
      So again - YOU are racist. I am, as an individual, pro affirmative action to remedy historical injustice or even present day injustice meted out to people because of no fault of theirs. Also, the Indian Constitution had abolished slavery and caste based discrimination since its inception, fyi. We have a more robust affirmative action system for caste than than the United States does for race.
      Oct 19, 2017
    • Cummins / Eng afnl60
      Just read Terrabytes posts on other threads too..he is an Indian wannabe American, hatin on his own people, thinkin small and petty, thinkin too many of his countrymen here will make him ordinary, petty little dude who believes other Indians will take his job..insecure fella who talks abt everything else but the main issue of the topic...discrimination in policies by country of origin is still discrimination..
      Oct 19, 2017
    • Alston & Bird bladerun9
      Lol. Yeah. He has issues..
      Oct 19, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Wow so much to read on bus. LOL. Quota by birth country is one of the most unfair cold-war policies. I am glad most people in this thread agreed. Am I reading it right? Disclosure- I have got my GC.
      Oct 20, 2017
  • Microsoft mrballz2
    Nationality based caps are cruel. Merit based visas are much better. Too bad it was Trump who proposed it, the whole left was up in arms in five minutes.

    I do believe we will get there, though.
    Oct 16, 2017 12
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Neither illegals nor H1b or green card holders vote. No one gives a fuck about non citizens’ opinion. They’re guests they don’t get to make the rules. Thank god! But there are millions of Mexican Americans who are citizens... do the math...
      Oct 17, 2017
    • Google / Eng
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      How did millions of mexican Americans become US citizens?
      Oct 17, 2017
    • Compology pFpl11
      Same way as everyone else, they were born here.
      Oct 17, 2017
    • Verizon kwBl46
      How did California become a part of United States?
      Oct 17, 2017
    • CanFab / Eng
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      How did Texas and a lot of other states?
      Oct 18, 2017
  • Intel djhdudjfhf
    Lopnin....What exactly are you angry at? Honestly asking? Is it just the length of time for a GC....or is there some situation at your work that is hard? If the latter? Can you not transfer your H1 to another company?
    Oct 16, 2017 11
    • Microsoft Caterpilla
      I don't think they integrate better than every other country.
      The cab driver can be justified because there is a premium on diversity. Why is that so difficult to understand?
      Oct 16, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Lol. Indians are superior at integrating. Yeah ok... tell me about Africans and their shitty taxicab jobs some more, stealing green cards from genius Indians again? #racistasfuck
      Oct 16, 2017
    • Amazon SDE-2.5
      I said “usually” because i know there are exceptions everywhere. Indians are not geniuses, but they pay way more taxes than any other demography.

      Your idea that it is fine to give lower priority based on race to candidates who are here by merit is the actual racist practice here.
      If you cant see that obvious discriminatory practice then nothing i say will enter your head :).
      I know all i will get for pointing out the obvious (that everyone already knows) will be abuses here.. 🤦🏻‍♂️
      Oct 16, 2017
    • Alston & Bird helium365
      Yeah I agree that it is racist to bring up cab drivers. They all contribute to the melting pot. Again, everyone deserves a fair shot. The policy is meant to encourage diversity and I think that's not necessarily unfair. The means to doing it has unfair consequences. Finally - American culture is fluid. It changed everytime it had immigration. To argue now that there's a certain fixed type of "American-ness" is no different from the attitudes in the early 1900s when people disliked the influx of Jews. It's the same thing, just different people.
      Oct 17, 2017
    • Amazon IDunnoMan
      Sad to see that no sane conversation ever happens on blind! From what I see, the guy/gal never said taxi drivers are less deserving. They said its unfair that they get treated BETTER than indian doctors. I don’t think that automatically means they should be treated WORSE than indian doctors 🤔. Maybe equal and fair treatment is also an option that you are not willing to entertain because you are a racist and feel indians are taking your jobs. Lol.
      Oct 17, 2017
  • Google / Eng ungoogley
    The real bullshit is the fact that we keep trying to give these fucking DACA recipients and people who came here illegally a free pass while making skilled engineers wait a decade to get a green card. This is absolutely fucked.
    Oct 16, 2017 12
    • Townhalls aren't the only way , it is just one mechanism. You can also call up your congrssman and set up 1:1 time with him or her. You can simply call them and represent your issue. Send them a snail mail (I did that - you get a mail response back). If u don't reach out to the people who vote on these bills, and instead tweet and post in your echo chamber, how will you get their support?

      Will your congressman stand for someone who asked them in person to support their cause - brought their family and explained their issue or someone who posts on blind and tells they deserve it? You know the answer.

      To change law you need the people in power to listen to you.

      I gave you the townhall example, because that's the one I have seen. I am sure there are more ways other than what I specified here, and I admit I don't know all of them, but posting on blind ain't - I can vouch for that.
      Oct 17, 2017
    • Google / Eng ungoogley
      The point remains, you're saying that politics should never be discussed outside of means that will impact law... So why did you even post here in the first place?
      Oct 17, 2017
    • No one said that you can't talk - I said we have loud mouth to complain, but have nothing productive to offer. We have an effective bunch of people as example (DACA kids), who changed the conversation around the issue and have so many people in power standing in line for them. Others are asking why aren't we treated better and I am telling you - that kid cried for milk and you didn't - so you never got milk. If you want milk go cry in front of mommie, don't cry in your echo chamber.

      To be clear, No one is here to take away your 1st amendment right.
      Oct 17, 2017
    • Alston & Bird bladerun9
      Dude - the point of his/her comment was to basically respond to your gripe about DACA. He's saying there's no real preference for one group over the other. The group that shows up and advocates - gets what it needs. That's all.
      Oct 17, 2017
    • Thanks bladerun9!
      Oct 17, 2017
  • Twitter shdjskpqpn
    Not to be offensive or playing devil’s advocate, but from the perspective of US lawmakers, what benefit does US get by you bringing in your parents as your dependents? I imagine family based green card for parents is faster and if they do become citizens, then they’ll be at an age where they can draw from SS without having paid anything into the system.

    Again not being offensive, just wondering.
    Oct 16, 2017 30
    • @b055 the moment you retire you are out of status and will be kicked out of the country, even though you paid a million dollars over last 10 years in taxes and SStax. Also you can't migrate at 65, unless you have a son or daughter here.
      Oct 17, 2017
    • Entertainment Partners / Product
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      Do you know H1B holders have to contribute towards social security and Medicare even though they are not eligible to receive a single dollar from it unless they become citizens which we all know how difficult it is for them these days. Keep in mind, majority of H1B holders leave the country and thereby forego their social security and Medicare contributions to Uncle Sam.
      Oct 17, 2017
    • Amazon / Other 💥Boom💥
      I can't believe what I'm hearing. You're not citizens, you are here voluntarily and most of you make 5x national average. More if your spouse also works. Your opportunity and lifestyle here is closer to the top than most Americans will ever see because you possess a skill that is in demand. This is a fair trade off. America owes you no additional perks. I get your frustration but it's unrealistic to make demands like you have the same rights. My Indian neighbors (tons) buy nice homes, in great areas with good free public education. They drive nice cars. Much nicer than mine. They gain equity in their homes. Around here, that alone is an amazing benefit. Yes you pay taxes as we all do, but your life is damn good here.
      Oct 17, 2017
    • Entertainment Partners / Product
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      Not sure if you are jealous or you are making a rational comment? America does not owe Indians anything but all Indians ask for is to be treated equally when it comes to immigration. COMMON.SENSE. COMMON. SENSE.
      Oct 17, 2017
    • Amazon Maharaja!
      I seconds the comment above, no one is asking for a “special” treatment except for equality and no discrimination based on country of birth. I’m in GC line since 2010, and people who started their GC process abeilt born in other countries in 2015-2016 got their GC’s..

      If they really want to do country wise quota, they should factor in the population of a country and have higher quota for more populous ones. Really, it’s just COMMON.SENSE
      Oct 17, 2017
  • Microsoft NullData
    An entitled foreigner whose plan to immigrate their whole family to our country is hitting a snag.
    It's real simple. Follow the rules or go home and work on making your homeland a better place to live.
    Oct 16, 2017 5
    • BlackBerry AdultDC🐉
      You sound like an entitled citizen. Perhaps you should focus on your own life and not get in the way of others
      Oct 16, 2017
    • New lopnin
      OP
      And you think the rules are right and just?
      They are ridiculous, and they have a huge hole in them.
      Oct 16, 2017
    • Alston & Bird japanaus
      He/she actually didn't want the family to immigrate. S/he just wants them next to him/her so he can take care of them.
      Oct 16, 2017
    • BlackBerry AdultDC🐉
      I can tell you with certainty that if ridiculous rules were placed on you that made you wait for years on end, you would be raising Hell against them
      Oct 16, 2017
    • Alston & Bird helium365
      Yeah that's the problem with the immigrant mentality, right? "Don't rock the boat if you want to stay." That's the general attitude.
      Oct 16, 2017
  • Intel gpdshdcrd
    Cancel all H1b visas except for 10 a year. Now let's see if we get the best and brightest instead of the whining mercenaries I am currently reading. We have enough humans in this country. Trying to be an over crowded cesspool for the sake of 💰 should not be our goal or the goal of any country.
    Oct 16, 2017 11
    • In your analogy, the gut bacteria thought that it runs the host. If that strain of bacteria is flushed, something else will replace it. We aren't unique and more deserving than others. We are as deserving as anyone else. Thats all I can say.

      When people migrated it was Italians, Irish, Chinese and now Indians. This will continue even after we 'moved on' from this issue, except the system will find another target 😃. When that happens, please be sympathetic to them 🙂.
      Oct 17, 2017
    • Thank you!
      Oct 17, 2017
    • Optimatic / Eng utoptic
      These whining mercenaries are needed by the US companies, which is why they are here. 50 years ago even dumb talentless morons got to come here and become US citizen like @gpdshdcrd parents and grand parents.
      Oct 18, 2017
    • Epic / Eng YuX75s
      Yes. US get too many humans, but too many of them don’t want to work. The H1b immigrants have to work very hard, pay more tax and get little benefits. Their hard working helps businesses stronger and then hiring more.
      Oct 18, 2017
  • PayPal Yuhig
    To everyone asking OP to leave: Kunal Bahl, founder of an Indian Startup - Snapdeal, Wharton educated had to go back because of not getting the H-1B visa in the lottery. Snapdeal now employs 5000+ people in India. US lost talent and jobs as well. So how is US benefiting from this shitty immigration ?

    If someone is made to wait years for a GC before they can take a risk and start companies, then US is basically losing out on a hell lot of jobs!

    Trump talks about this guy: https://youtu.be/dBKEKD5rHVM
    Oct 17, 2017 2
    • eBay esnap
      Why do u think these jobs will go to Americans if they stay here? Bringing 5000 more people to already over crowded silicon valley sounds like an awful idea. They will bring their extended families to occupy schools, roads, hospitals. It'll be just adding to silicon valley s nightmare
      Oct 20, 2017
    • Roku ta-da
      ^ you know who founded your company right? NOT an American.
      Oct 21, 2017
  • Intuit rvskfczjcd
    Problem here “awareness” issue. Most of your congressmen don’t know about “green card” back log issue. If you really want to fix this issue, talk to your congressman and ask him to support Bill HR392.
    Oct 16, 2017 14
    • Alston & Bird bladerun9
      Hey, AdultDC - I get that you're feeling defensive. The point of what snkparnt is trying to say again is that it IS possible to speak up and get the process moving. Having a dystopian world view without even trying any of this is a disservice to yourself. The country isn't all that bad. If it was all that bad, you'd not be here. Snkparnt is talking from the perspective of a group that has succeeded in getting those many buy ins for reform. No, you will not get a GC easily and no, this doesn't mean citizenship. But this bill will solve a lot of problems. You should laud their efforts. And if possible, participate. We're all on the same side here! Dealing with an unfair situation. I wish people would just open their eyes and see it for what it is and what you can do instead of fighting against each other.
      Oct 17, 2017
    • BlackBerry AdultDC🐉
      @bladerun9: I have nothing against the bill or immigrants. If it were up to me I would get rid of the stupid limits around visas and green cards
      Oct 17, 2017
    • Alston & Bird bladerun9
      Ok then you should check out immigrationvoice and figure out the next steps in removing caps.
      Oct 17, 2017
    • Alston & Bird bladerun9
      Per country caps** clarifying before someone pounces and thinks we're plotting to remove limits on immigration
      Oct 17, 2017
    • BlackBerry AdultDC🐉
      @bladerun9: Let them pounce. There should be no walls. If they were smart they would treat outsiders well and provide them with the resources to succeed
      Oct 17, 2017
  • Flagged by the community.

    • Amazon trammer
      Very typical of racist American women. They know very little about India, but will talk about rape on any thread involving India.
      Oct 24, 2017
    • Facebook day9
      #racistasfuck Just talked to a lady not working at FB who talked about getting physically assaulted at a startup company party by .... wait for it .... White American . The CFO saw it and didn't say anything. The lady didn't complain as she is new to the company. Yet apparently Indian culture is about rape. Look at yourself in the mirror once in a while.
      Oct 25, 2017
    • Sprint UyrR86
      Rape comment Coming from a guy who works for UBER is kind of a joke lol .. tbh.. isn’t uber known for molesting women . Fucking racist asshole dickhead.. please get into the hole you from and die 🖕🏾
      Oct 27, 2017
    • Facebook day9
      Good job with laws against rape
      Oct 28, 2017
  • Amazon Gatorade
    I don’t see how the US is responsible for India and China’s irresponsible reproduction throughout history.
    Oct 19, 2017 9
    • Facebook DatDudeTho
      What’s Alston & Bird?
      Oct 19, 2017
    • Alston & Bird bladerun9
      It's a bird.
      Oct 19, 2017
    • Alston & Bird bladerun9
      Owned by a guy named Alston.
      Oct 19, 2017
    • Facebook DatDudeTho
      You seem like a real peach
      Oct 20, 2017
    • Grainger / Eng
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      Well, we had medical science which did not let us die like barbarians.
      Oct 20, 2017
  • Amazon day3
    why do so many Indians want to get a green card anyway? is India so bad that you're all desperate to leave?

    and what's so good about America anyway?
    Oct 17, 2017 9
    • Facebook DatDudeTho
      Idk of any other country currently but I do know India will need to do something sooner than later.
      Oct 18, 2017
    • Apple 123456780
      Ummm population control is a stale argument from the 90’s. World population growth has been slowing for the last decade (mostly due to Bill/Melinda gates foundation and growing middle class worldwide). World population growth is expected to turn negative within 50 years and then we are all in for a lot of uncertainty and potentially screwed. Just ask China why they removed their one child policy. Or ask Japan about the drivers of their stagflation are. The reality is the most women in developed nations have a replenishment rate of less than 2 children and that and decreasing at an alarming rate.
      Oct 20, 2017
    • Alston & Bird bladerun9
      Replenishment rate? Anyway. Most of the kids I knew growing up were only children. Or had one sibling. I was an only child. I was born in the 80s. India did try to encourage people with incentives to do family planning and some of it backfired. There were many campaigns about one family one child or one family two children. This was in the 70s. I'm sure there's data to back up the fact that educated folks have smaller families. Urban India (which is where most immigrants are from) has a fertility rate of 1.8. Europe's rate is 1.6. Rural fertility rate is apparently 2.5. Here's a write up about recent developments in re one or two children policies in India: http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/051415/indias-twochild-policy.asp?adtest=mobile-lazy-load-0 here's the source on fertility rates:https://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/staying-alive/the-myth-of-indias-population-explosion/. The author is sourcing the data from a national level (federal) survey.
      Oct 20, 2017
    • Alston & Bird bladerun9
      Replacement rate, you meant. I see. Got it.
      Oct 20, 2017
    • Alston & Bird bladerun9
      Yeah - China's one child policy has resulted in them seeing an aging population with not enough young people to provide labor/pay taxes and whatnot. More​ people with disposable income means more transactions. Which means GDP growth.
      Oct 20, 2017
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    • Apple SwimDeep
      @Terabyte Stop pretending to be offended, it’s not like you’ve never seen swearing on the internet before.

      Do the research, you’ll realize that Mexico and Philippines bring far more family members. Instead you resort to ad hominems because that’s all you’re capable of.
      Oct 20, 2017
    • VMware trollbully
      If Indians think America is too racist then they should go back to India.
      Oct 20, 2017
    • Jvillage Network / Eng rbrX57
      Probably because they love their parents and feel like helping them enjoy a more comfortable retirement. It is also nice to have them around to help raise grand children.
      Oct 20, 2017
    • New sRop13
      Doesn't even make sense with all the money we send back it doesn't even make sence. Greencard guys can get Medicare not us.
      Oct 20, 2017
    • Google aspix
      Others : Ignore the idiot trolls here.

      Terabyte: Pity on your parents who gave birth to a shithole selfish kid like you.
      Also, dude, you have no f*cking idea about visas or immigration processes : shows in your posts. Everyone can see the sorry state of your knowledge on the matter. Go read a bit more than trolling on Blind. However much you wish these brown people we're not here, but they are and will persist. And oh, will keep bringing their parents here to rub salt on your sore wounds. Enjoy the burn :)
      Oct 20, 2017
  • New / Eng
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    Us citizen here so I can't relate at all. Can you explain why the visas exploit you? I'm not saying they don't, I just don't know anything about it
    Oct 19, 2017 18
    • Google / Eng urs
      The immigration system is not targeting Indians in particular. It is just enforcing the per country limit as it does for all countries. As far as I know there is no special rule for India.
      Oct 19, 2017
    • GE nhCd35
      Exploitation, tell me you just kidding :) how come when TCS and others flood visa lines. And as “ “. of (real) diversity we see %70 of GE are Indians !!!!!! Which kind of diversity is this !!
      Oct 19, 2017
    • @GE: you can fix the h1 issue by changing minimum wage requirements. That will still not solve the problem of depressing wages that the backlog brings. Unless this backlog is flushed, people on the line will depress wages for all. That h1 teammate who didn't ask for raise is depressing your wage. Even if companies don't willing hire h1, the low wage make them attractive for companies and end up choosing them over someone with higher wage.
      If the wait was few years it won't have mattered. But life long wait creates a second class citizen who will hurt themselves and everyone.

      Please don't forget that companies ganged up to depress wages and when caught just settled. GC backlog is a legal route to depress wages. Companies love this sugar candy.

      Diversity visa exists for diversity. There is diversity caps on family visa, which is 10x skills visa because it doesn't vet for skills

      Skills visa (employment Visa) is for skill . Not for diversity. If diversity is so important why not do it in h1?
      Oct 19, 2017
    • Uber Flor
      I can relay to the feelings of the GE guy.
      I am totally fine with my depressed wage as long as there’s no 70% of my coworkers from a single foreign country.
      I care less about your “issue” than a flying crap, and I speak of this as an immigrant as well.
      Oct 20, 2017
    • Microsoft $oftie$
      I don’t think “exploitation” is the right word to use. The right word to use is “diversity control”. This is a deliberate policy to make sure that US doesn’t get overrun (as quickly) by Indians and Chinese etc. The world and economies keep shifting, so almost all major tech companies have already worked around the problem by expanding into other countries. For example, if you cannot get a h1b in the US, then go to Vancouver Canada. Terms over there might not be as good, but no one says that you are entitled to remain in the US just because you think you are entitled. Instead of complaining about the problem, try to find your next best alternative approach instead. The world is full of problems and this is no exception.
      Oct 21, 2017
  • BlackBerry AdultDC🐉
    You are not the only ones they exploit. They exploit even their own people. Think about why there are so few worker protections in this country. It’s because over the decades the government has put massive pressure on unions and weakened them to the point of impotency
    Oct 16, 2017 10
    • Alston & Bird helium365
      Yep. Sorry my info is outdated.
      Oct 16, 2017
    • Both your info is so inaccurate I wish it were true. Someone who applies from India will never get their green card before they die. I am not lying. The output of line is fixed at 10k per year. Input is around 100k per year.

      Please tell your clueless Indian peers and friends (like me a year back) taht they aren't getting their green cards in their lifetime (majority won't) and that 2017-2008(USCIS is now processing applications from 2008) only works when input matches output.
      Oct 16, 2017
    • Alston & Bird helium365
      That's scary. You're right. The more years pass by the more we're accumulating in visa queues and waitlines. So if someone filed today, it'll be longer than what it was for the guy who filed back in 2008.
      Oct 16, 2017
    • 'It will be longer than 2008' (some superlative to describe order of magnitude larger needed here)

      Rule of thumb - 10 years for every year you are behind. If your pd is after 2012- 2013 you will likely never get gc before you retire. Around 2015 your death. 2017- your kid's retirement.
      Oct 16, 2017
    • Oh and the moment you retire you are out of status and will be kicked out of the country. So don't have much hopes on getting GC after you retire.
      Oct 16, 2017
  • Facebook DatDudeTho
    To the OP - I would like to state that you willingly signed up for this so the “exploitation” that has taken place is your own fault. The rules/laws surrounding visas are pretty clear so you know what you signed up for. Not saying it’s right but you made the decision.
    Oct 18, 2017 7
    • Alston & Bird bladerun9
      Lol statistically, it will be 70. The process is so opaque that you can't tell. I'd recommend you try going through it with someone you know who is an immigrant and see what it is like. At this point, if I decide to file for one - there's definitely no way to predict how long it'll take. People use historic cases to say 15 years. However, considering the existing backlog and the added backlog every year, it becomes slower and slower. It's just sad that people with zero knowledge or experience with the system seem to think that they'll know more than someone who has been through the system. Please realize that we're here not because we're daft.
      Oct 19, 2017
    • Cummins / Eng afnl60
      @Datdudetho Do you know there are unused GC's from other countries that go waste?? There just not enough highly skilled folks in these countries. Its a supply demand equation based on the skill gap in the US workforce, bringing this per country quota is effing everything up.
      Oct 19, 2017
    • If there were quotas on h1 companies will cry telling they need best and brightest. How many companies do you see lobbying for green cards? 0 . Some do lip service. Rest don't even bother. They say it isn't important to them.

      Note that when people can't get their green cards in their lifetime, it is effectively denial. In such cases, US should make it clear when you apply for h1 that you can't get your GC. USCIS knows this and wilfully admits people into country - that is duplicity. Even better if they start denying people in GC line because they can't service them, it will be clear to people. In such a situation, you can blame those who are here knowing they won't get GC and complain.
      Oct 19, 2017
    • Medallia luduz
      The rules have been changing on a regular basis lately.. no one understands the sacrifice made - it's also taxation without representation as we wait in line.

      Also no one signs up to be treated like a 3rd class human being. Also, just because the rules are known doesn't mean they're just, it's why people break the rule (ex. Civil rights movement, slave rights, women's suffrage rights etc) to reach a higher state as a humanity and as a society.
      Feb 4, 2018
    • Microsoft #SOD
      +we have too many Indians here and they need to fix their shithole country before coming here and stinking up ours
      May 10, 2018