Google Program Manager Offer

Spotify Damlo20
Jul 27, 2018 15 Comments

I recently received an offer for a Program Manager (Non-Technical) role in NYC. I have 9 years experience and was told I was approved for L4. I am currently a senior program manager at a reputable tech/streaming company. Is this level low for my experience and is this a reasonable offer?

The offer:
Base: 130k
Target Bonus: 15%
Stock: $180k

The salary is less than I am currently making and the stock is less than I would be walking away from if I were to stay.

I would like to join Google but want to make sure I am getting a fair offer and we are not misaligned on the level/experience.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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  • Google / Eng v0
    Agree with the other Googler. This is a strong offer for PgM II.
    Jul 27, 2018 6
    • Google SoSad
      Level is dictated by interview performance and the role they are trying to fill. Not YOE.
      Jul 27, 2018
    • Google olgax
      I'd disagree. There's plenty of factors, yoe one of them.
      Jul 27, 2018
    • Google SoSad
      In PgM feedback I've seen interview performance mentioned as reason for level literally every time. Never even seen a mention of yoe.
      Jul 27, 2018
    • Splunk eGRt21
      Damlo20:
      Google is known to hire external hires at L4. It isn't so bad.
      Find out if you are on the E or O ladder.
      Jul 27, 2018
    • Spotify Damlo20
      OP
      @eGRt21 I definitely will. They are going back on Monday. What is the difference between E or O? This is the first I have heard of this ladder. Is there one I should push for over the other?
      Jul 27, 2018
  • Google KissMyPiss
    High end offer. You can try to negotiate but it probably won't go much higher. So either take the offer or just decline

    FWIW I got a pay cut on my base salary joining Google, but after a year it evened out, and I ended up making even more anyway due to equity refreshers.
    Jul 27, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Other AmarAkbar
    Sometimes you just take a shorter term pay cut for longer term benefit. There are trade offs. Google brand just like other big tech companies will help you multiple times until you retire. Don’t tell this to the google recruiter though. I would negotiate hard though
    Jul 27, 2018 0
  • Google WjSp40
    This is on the high end of pgm L4
    Jul 27, 2018 0
  • Google floppybird
    As a hiring manager, my perception is that they've been intentionally trying to raise the bar for job levels lately, to the point of under-leveling experienced candidates. My guess is that it's happening because Google is allergic to middle management and is fighting hard to preserve its historically and notably flat hierarchy.

    It's not cool. We're losing great candidates left and right to far better offers both from other but tech companies and even forms in other industries. Something needs to give.
    Jul 27, 2018 1
    • Splunk eGRt21
      As a former employee, my perception is that Google NYC fails to understand the value external hires bring frequently.

      A key point when I was interviewing:
      I described Sales Engineering and Professional Services. No one on my interview panel had heard the terms. The recruiter (in Sales) hadn't either (gasp!). The problem:
      Google Enterprise / for Work / Cloud has SEs and PS today.
      The group I was interviewing with did too (ah? fail much?), just 1% of the org.
      Jul 27, 2018
  • Facebook North Star
    @damlo - what did you end up doing? And was the 180k equity across 4 years?
    Feb 6 0
  • Amazon TTTPPMM
    Did you have any sign on bonus?
    Apr 29 0
  • Google olgax
    You can interview with comparable tech companies and negotiate from there.
    Jul 27, 2018 0

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