Google final offer, $15K below my current TC

LinkedIn </sarcasm>
Aug 18, 2018 75 Comments

Staff eng at LinkedIn, current TC of 560k (220k base, 15% bonus, rest from RSU). YoE approx 15.

Google L6 offer first year TC of 544k (220k base, 20% bonus, 55k sign on, 900k RSU). After several back and forth, I'm told this is a "final offer". There is no more room to negotiate.

I know this is quite a competitive offer, but it's still lower than my current TC at LinkedIn, not even accounting the fact that LinkedIn has ESPP and slightly better health plan. Google is where I want to be (for various reasons I prefer to not go into), but this puts me in a difficult situation of taking a pay cut.

What do folks think? Does Google refresher generally make up for this difference in a year or two?

Edit: since I'm receiving several questions about interview & preparation, I'm copying one of the replies from below.

"on-site was 2 coding, 2 system design, 1 behavioral, 1 to discuss my current project. Totally 6 interviews plus lunch).

Preparation was quite intensive.. I consider my self a good "practical" programmer, but not necessarily good in interview format with the time pressure. I put about 6 months of effort to leetcode about 150 medium and 50 hard questions. I didn't put much effort on design as I don't think there is much I can prepare outside of my domain know how.. I generally enjoy doing design and doesn't feel like an interview when doing that. I wish there were more design interviews and fewer coding!

For coding, I actually think I got mostly LC medium questions only, didn't think any were close to the "hard" LC I practiced. Got several coding questions on Graph traversal, DP, trees and Arrays. There was a definite emphasis on writing efficient code in timely manner."

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  • Tesla / Other qSXN35
    lol. 16k less 😆😆😆
    Aug 18, 2018 2
    • LinkedIn </sarcasm>
      OP
      Yeah sure 😊
      I've sightly changed the numbers in the post to make it not-identifiable, but ballpark difference is same.
      Aug 18, 2018
    • LinkedIn Trade
      Common, you are L6.. Don’t crib like a new grad kid for the 16k pre tax!! Think about your passion and long term goal
      Aug 19, 2018
  • McAfee tYcY14
    Why are you even thinking about 15k difference? Google has a better brand and you will likely learn and build lot more cooler stuff. Just bite the bullet already.
    Aug 18, 2018 4
    • LinkedIn </sarcasm>
      OP
      Thanks. 16k, plus espp (around 5k easily), plus better health benefits, and Perkup ($2k towards child care). All this adds up to a decent difference.. but the brand and team I'll be working in are definitely the big draw.
      Aug 18, 2018
    • McAfee tYcY14
      All that is just 4% less than your current compensation. Google's stock appreciation itself would take care of it in no time.
      Aug 18, 2018
    • LinkedIn </sarcasm>
      OP
      MSFT has done quite well too! Stock growth is hard to predict..
      Aug 18, 2018
    • McAfee tYcY14
      :) Agreed. All I can say is, don't sweat about 20k, think long term.
      Aug 18, 2018
  • Facebook / Eng Leo Messi
    Drop the offer. Never took a new job with Lower pay, respect yourself.
    Aug 18, 2018 1
    • Marvell USA 🇺🇸
      Not true. It’s not just dollars. Plenty ppl took pay cuts for jobs w big scope and impact.
      Aug 19, 2018
  • Qualcomm DwyerAndy
    While I don't think anyone should switch for lower pay given the effort to prepare and establish yourself in the new team, my opinion is that you should take this. At your level, think of this as doubling your network. The contacts you get and the amount of new people/practices you get exposed to can lead to newer opportunities.

    Phenomenal dedication to solve so many LC questions at your experience, hat tip!
    Aug 19, 2018 1
    • LinkedIn </sarcasm>
      OP
      Thanks! Interviews are getting difficult these days.. Hate this leetcode culture, but you have to play the game.
      Aug 19, 2018
  • Facebook kEeN82
    Refreshers will put you far past that after your first year, assuming you can perform at that level. (Based on a number of data points from friends working there)
    Aug 18, 2018 6
    • LinkedIn / Eng Hitam
      How big are the refreshers for T5 and T6 at Google?
      Aug 19, 2018
    • Google // FIXME
      targets are about 120 and 200 respectively, I think, with multiplier up to 1.8 for strong performance
      Aug 19, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Eng Hitam
      How is the multiplier distributed across ratings? (I’m assuming CME gets 1x and Superb gets 1.8x, what about EE and SEE?)

      Does Google have any special treatment for the 4th year when the initial grant is over? Any extra refreshers?
      Aug 19, 2018
    • Google // FIXME
      cme .9, 1.2, 1.5, 1.8 superb
      Aug 21, 2018
    • Google zusammen
      Cme is 1.0 if you have been newly promoted or if you have recently joined Google. It drops to 0.8-0.9 otherwise.
      Oct 26, 2018
  • Microsoft Hankhill
    Humblebrag post.
    Aug 18, 2018 2
    • LinkedIn </sarcasm>
      OP
      Bragging on an anonymous platform doesn't get me much😂
      Aug 18, 2018
    • Microsoft Hankhill
      Come on, you know the answer to your question at your level. Also a LinkedIn staff friend of mine recently joined as L5, so you are getting a level bump too. Seriously though, if I'm being paid that much as an IC, I'd be more worried about keeping up with current Google L6 guys and the value i would bring
      Aug 18, 2018
  • Amazon
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    Electronic Arts, Google, Nokia, Citrix Systems, Cisco
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    If your heart is at Google, then 15k is a small, small, small price to pay. After taxes that comes to about 8-9k/year. I'll say go for it.
    I have taken pay cut before for a job I really wanted and never had a regret. It not like it'll change your standard of living :-) Listen to your heart.
    Aug 18, 2018 1
    • LinkedIn </sarcasm>
      OP
      Thanks, that's useful😊
      Aug 18, 2018
  • Amazon DwgtSchrte
    Hey Op, congrats on the offer and wish you good luck. Yours is a good problem to have and you can't go wrong either way.

    As someone working in AWS and also interested in distributed systems, can you provide some general guidance on how you gained your experience? Was it just choosing your team's and companies carefully? Was it keeping up with the latest research and reading lots of papers? Or side projects that implemented low level systems as well as distributed systems?

    Thanks in advance!
    Aug 19, 2018 3
    • LinkedIn </sarcasm>
      OP
      My masters was actually concentrated heavily in systems. That helped get the initial break.

      Reading the original Amazon DynamoDB paper is an absolute must. Most concepts such as consistent hashing are still in use today.

      At LinkedIn I worked in multiple distributed systems for various reasons, in a way I got lucky since our systems did not scale well when I joined, so I was loaned to different teams to help fix their problems. I worked in our NoSQL, Kafka, cluster manager, pub-sub system, helped migrate from an old NoSQL db to our more modern one; among other things. Each helped me gain different exposure on typical trade-off in such large scale systems.
      Aug 19, 2018
    • Amazon DwgtSchrte
      Thanks so much for your response.
      Aug 19, 2018
    • When you say cluster manager do you mean replicated SM using Paxos or Raft?
      Aug 19, 2018
  • Amazon megamorphy
    It's not really that much lower. If you like the new job at google, I think it's taking a small pay cut is not a big deal. Also is LinkedIn likely to say at level for several years, or is it just that high because of MSFT acquisition?
    Aug 18, 2018 4
    • LinkedIn </sarcasm>
      OP
      Promotions at LinkedIn at my level is not very easy. I expect it'll take at least 1.5 years, possibly more to get to Sr Staff.
      Aug 18, 2018
    • Amazon megamorphy
      Sr Staff at LinkedIn is about T7 at google? Yeah it's super hard for promotions at that level for any company. My two cent: your monthly take home pay after tax goes from 30k at LinkedIn to 29.4k at google. For that small of a difference in comp, preference is much more important. Though as a disclaimer, i just sign offer for 330k from fb, so both those numbers look huge to me 🙂, so maybe my advice is biased.
      Aug 18, 2018
    • LinkedIn </sarcasm>
      OP
      Thanks megamorphy. I'm not sure how it maps.. staff at LinkedIn can map to either L5 or L6 depending on your experience and interview information. Sr Staff, I'm guessing should be L7 but I'm not 100% certain.

      What level did you go in at FB. Congrats on your new beginning!
      Aug 18, 2018
    • Amazon megamorphy
      I got 5 at fb. I only have 9 years of experience, so getting 6 level for me would be very rare. Good luck to you at well!
      Aug 18, 2018
  • BlackBerry / Other
    BaronCohen

    BlackBerry Other

    BIO
    Putin’s mistress
    BaronCohenmore
    LinkedIn product quality has gone down since it got acquired. Everything MSFT touches becomes bloated and buggy.
    I’d switch to Google. It’s a better place to work at
    Aug 19, 2018 3
    • LinkedIn </sarcasm>
      OP
      I don't agree there is any Microsoft influence there TBH. Product quality may have gone down due to our own technological choices and product decisions.
      Aug 19, 2018
    • BlackBerry / Other
      BaronCohen

      BlackBerry Other

      BIO
      Putin’s mistress
      BaronCohenmore
      Microsoft own them so I’m surprised to hear that they haven’t made their influence felt at LinkedIn
      Aug 19, 2018
    • LinkedIn </sarcasm>
      OP
      They've left us alone for the most part so far. I'm sure there will be some changes in future, but for now it's our own choice and doing.
      Aug 19, 2018
  • Amgen cld-arch
    It’s a paycut in year 1. If you look at it over a 4 year period once you begin stacking up refreshers it’ll definitely be a pay raise. Your LinkedIn TC includes multiple years of refreshers so comparing it against year 1 if google isn’t apples to apples
    Aug 19, 2018 2
    • Cisco / Product zettabyte
      This ^^^^
      Aug 19, 2018
    • LinkedIn </sarcasm>
      OP
      Fair point, agree
      Aug 19, 2018
  • LinkedIn Datain
    I do think that it’s a competitive offer and you should pursue your heart. Before you go into Google, be sure you really understand the team you are getting into and how you will grow your career there. Since Google is a large company and uses a proprietary tech stack, it can be hard to reuse some of your learnings at Google elsewhere. Also, it can be hard to understand the secret sauce that powers their products. Often, at infrastructure teams like Spanner, Colossus the speed of iteration is extremely slow and tend to require a lot of legacy context to ramp up and be productive. Having said this, you should really go with your gut feeling - the 15k difference in total comp is not very significant. I would instead optimize for learning and growth potential. Wish you all success. Feel free to ping me if you had further questions!
    Aug 18, 2018 1
    • LinkedIn </sarcasm>
      OP
      Thanks, that's a very thoughtful and helpful reply.
      Aug 18, 2018
  • This comment was deleted by original commenter.

    • LinkedIn </sarcasm>
      OP
      I don't think that chart is correct, tbh. I know few people who got in at L5, but also know few who got in at L6 from Staff at LinkedIn.
      Aug 19, 2018
    • Microsoft Rendezvou
      Agree, looks like he lucked out. OP were you a primary author on any of the papers like Voldemort or Espresso? The projects you described above sound like rudimentary distributed systems primitives we've solved in Azure as well. Nothing special. Infact, ours are a bit more efficient than usual consistent hashing based node membership protocols. Sounds like OPs leetcode prep paid off
      Aug 20, 2018
  • Google hKni77
    Go for it, I am an L6 going for L7 this cycle and making less than your offer... 15K will change absolutely nothing in our life - working at the company you want to join will.

    See you "on the other side"!
    Aug 18, 2018 1
  • Apple jdqodh
    I would personally take Google offer without second thoughts. Google scale is huge and the problems you will be solving there will be “really interesting”.
    Would be great if you could share some details- YOE? What is the interview process for L6? How did you prepare?
    Aug 18, 2018 1
    • LinkedIn </sarcasm>
      OP
      YoE approx 15y.

      I replied in the interview process in one of the above thread (on-site was 2 coding, 2 system design, 1 behavioral, 1 to discuss my current project. Totally 6 interviews plus lunch).

      Preparation was quite intensive.. I consider my self a good "practical" programmer, but not necessarily good in interview format with the time pressure. I put about 6 months of effort to leetcode about 150 medium and 50 hard questions. I didn't put much effort on design as I don't think there is much I can prepare outside of my domain know how.. I generally enjoy doing design and doesn't feel like an interview when doing that. I wish there were more design interviews and fewer coding!

      For coding, I actually think I got mostly LC medium questions only, didn't think any were close to the "hard" LC I practiced. Got several coding questions on Graph traversal, DP, trees and Arrays. There was a definite emphasis on writing efficient code in timely manner.

      Hope this helps. Feel free to PM me if there are other questions. I can't tell the exact Q's I received due to NDA, however I can give general advice.
      Aug 18, 2018
  • Amazon IIGh56
    I could be delusional, but 544k and 560k don’t sound anything I would be concerned about (with some stock growth the situation could change easily). Rather, the company, the prospect of the work and the long term growth that I believe I can gain is whats more important. And given that Google is where you want to be, I would just join it if I were you without that much of a thought.
    Aug 18, 2018 1
  • Microsoft Fefe
    What would be the TC range for a senior software engineer at LinkedIn?
    Aug 19, 2018 0
  • Google Pyyx14
    I was in a similar situation. Took a small paycut when joining Google from LI. It was a reasonable trade-off for me due to more interesting work, better career prospects, and better commute. I expect that refreshers will keep me whole and I'll be better off in the long run.
    Aug 18, 2018 0
  • Facebook Dr. Dobbs
    I wouldn't assume anything about refreshers or raises at Google, since they're not guaranteed to happen at all (you might get no refresher and a 1% raise). Just ask yourself if working at Google is worth $16k.
    Aug 19, 2018 1
    • Google Uhjhgf
      No refresh is only a possibility the first year. Still a substantial amount at this TC but after Dec 31 but refresh will be modeled in after that.

      Best to join late in the year to minimize this risk.
      Aug 19, 2018
  • TripAdvisor Dybkit
    I heard LinkedIn staff is one level down from Google staff?
    Aug 19, 2018 1
    • LinkedIn </sarcasm>
      OP
      Depends. I've seen people go at L5 as well as L6. I guess it depends on your experience and interview performance.
      Aug 19, 2018