Google to Amazon

Google seakir
Nov 3, 2018 56 Comments

I'm having hard time deciding whether it's worth moving to Amazon or not. What amount of annual TC increase (averaged over 2-3 years) would persuade you to make the move. (refreshers are taken into account)?

Google:
- 5 weeks of vacations
- 15 minutes of commute
-40 hours work week, good and paid oncall
- free food, better perks and benefits, including parking
- Ok project with 50% of chance getting to L6 within a year

Amazon AWS:
-3 week vacation
-90 minutes commute ( 1 way)
- worse benefits, no free food, paid parking lot
- worse WLB, bad oncall
- interesting project, but probably next level (PE) is not happening in 2-3 years for sure

Edit:
I know what is comfortable for me. But staying within comfort is not always abgood thing. I tried to leave for 3rd time now (because getting bored), each time end up staying( because financially doesn't make sense). I'm getting too comfortable and too complacent.

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  • New Bende
    What you’ve described at Google is very hard to replicate when risking a career move. Good WLB, no commute and promotion in the near term. Hold on to that.
    Nov 3, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Product
    strongsad7

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    strongsad7more
    Have you ever had a long commute? It can be brutal.

    Based on what you wrote you're going from 8.5 hours of work+commute to at least 11. That in itself puts it close to "no amount of money".
    Nov 3, 2018 3
    • Google seakir
      OP
      I never had long commute. I always try to live within 15 minutes of work. Only this time it's not possible. Thanks for insight
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Microsoft TellMyWifi
      Long commutes are absolutely terrible. Avoid at all costs.
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Google / Eng rRPD43
      There's been multiple studies showing increased stress levels with long commutes to work. It seems like a miserable option with little upside from what you described.
      Nov 4, 2018
  • Morgan Stanley
    ggdjD17

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    ggdjD17more
    90 minutes commute one way should be a stopper
    Nov 3, 2018 0
  • Cisco / Eng
    Thanos

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    Thanosmore
    From the way you’ve written this post, seems like you already know what’s best for you! Good luck.
    Nov 3, 2018 2
    • Google seakir
      OP
      I know what is comfortable for me. But staying within comfort is not always good thing. I tried to leave for 3rd time now, each time end up staying. I'm getting too comfortable and too complacent.
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Facebook pumpiniron
      Stay at Google, but change teams. That way you force yourself to learn new stuff without everything else taking a hit.
      Nov 3, 2018
  • Amazon bleuAvion
    The commute makes your answer clear, unfortunately. Any way to change that?
    Nov 3, 2018 2
    • Google seakir
      OP
      I never had long commute. I always try to live within 15 minutes of work. Only this time it's not possible. Maybe shuttle can make it better. I can avoid rush hours and it can reduce to maybe 40 minutes.
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Amazon bleuAvion
      To me it sounds terrible, unfortunately.
      Nov 3, 2018
  • Google topCon
    A thumbtack in your shoe will take care of that comfort at work. You're welcome.
    Nov 3, 2018 1
    • Google seakir
      OP
      Lol. Liked.
      Nov 3, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng jNeo42
    Amazon is constantly counting the nickels. My guess is that Google is counting the dollars, and on a less frequent basis. That will be a harsh adjustment. If you’re done with Google or over-coddled there and need a jolt, then AWS might be worth it for a while (planning on a promotion there is another story). Just leave Google on excellent terms, because you may soon find yourself wanting to come back.
    Nov 3, 2018 0
  • Oracle champa
    Asked your wife
    Nov 3, 2018 2
    • Amazon coolest
      And do the opposite
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Oracle champa
      Then you no get sleep on bed if do opposite
      Nov 3, 2018
  • New / Eng New / Eng
    No money is worth the 90 min commute, unless you are willing to move closer to your office.
    Nov 3, 2018 0
  • Google CREd51
    Stay at Google and look for other things to fulfill your life with outside of work. You will be happier. Work to live!
    Nov 3, 2018 0
  • Microsoft avRY62
    I worked both at Google and Amazon. Let me tell you, Both companies are great in terms of engineering. Amazon is very strict and straight forward, no team politics, you move up when you earn it(This is my own experience at AWS), I left Google since I saw there was a lots of politics starting everywhere, and many internal transfers were based on someone knowing someone, or an engineer vouching for another to a manager etc...
    Here's what i can tell, Amazon can be super high in pressure, most people don't last 3-6 months... if you make it at 1 year, you did well. The onboarding process has 0 help and you're pretty much on your own(forget the weeks of training at G), Overall, i'd say both are great, but you have to grind more at Amazon.
    Nov 4, 2018 2
    • Google seakir
      OP
      You moved from Google to Microsoft? I had an msft offer as well, but they could not even match Google offer, let alone Amazon. Did you take a pay cut to go to Microsoft? Curious what was your level at Google and Microsoft?
      Nov 4, 2018
    • Amazon cifkgigifi
      Amazon has a lot of politics now. YMMV
      Nov 6, 2018
  • Zillow Group Ztroll
    90 minutes commute is a no regardless of the amount of bananas you can eat
    Nov 4, 2018 0
  • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
    If you're getting bored at Google and are consistently working 40 hours, start working on some side projects that interest you. And start finding ways to make your work at Google more interesting, e.g. by potentially changing teams.

    At Amazon, you'll be forced to work lots of stressful overtime on work that may not interest you. Now you have the choice to spend any time beyond the weekly 40 hours doing whatever you want
    Nov 3, 2018 0
  • New tLFu71
    By far stay at google
    Nov 3, 2018 0
  • Juniper Pliny Jr.
    This seems like an OP troll question. The answer is obvious and answered by himself already.

    Yes, buddy. Go to Amazon so you can go into suffering. You have it too good at Google. Time for penance for your sins and suffering now. 😓

    Fuck that, move to the frozen tundra in Canada and go work at BlackBerry to get paid in sammiches. SNAP would be another good place for penance, but they pay too well and your lesson here on Earth is to suffer some more.💊....so sayeth Jesus Christos!
    Nov 3, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng kvant83
    with such description what do you expect people will vote for?
    Nov 3, 2018 0
  • Zillow Group / Eng kilmonger
    don't leave Google
    Nov 3, 2018 0
  • Apple Gg56fh
    In my opinion, you’re thinking about this the right way. You’re trying to seek challenging work without sacrificing critical items like benefits, commute and professional growth.

    Unless you’re switching to Amazon L7, the comp increase is not likely worth losing the optimum setup you have at Google right now.

    Why don’t you start a new project at Google to address a need in your org. Pick a domain that will use your skills and challenge you. Show how it will help the team, justify it to your manager and make it part of your deliverables this year.
    Nov 3, 2018 0
  • Amazon tYds04
    Honestly not a lot of people move from Google to Amazon.
    Nov 3, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng
    gray5i

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    gray5imore
    I assume you get sde3 in amazon, because you mention promote to PE? If you want the experience of TL, it will make sense. Amazon sde3 mostly function as google T6. It requires you to be a true tech lead. (Although many googler claim amazon sde3 is the same as Google T5). From sde3 you write less and less code, more focus on the roadmap and guiding team etc
    Nov 3, 2018 0