Google won’t match Uber?

Amazon / Eng S.Nadella
Aug 1, 2018 52 Comments

Google 140/260/30, 15% bonus, 225 tc

Uber 154 base + 9.6k shares, 13.5k bonus, 265 tc assuming 40/share

How can I negotiate from here? Both are L4. I read on here that google only matches FB and Uber so I didn’t bother interviewing with OCI, Twitter, etc. That might’ve been a big mistake.

5.5 yoe, current tc is 150 at a startup.

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TOP 52 Comments
  • Amazon barista
    if they dont want to match join Google, u'll get a good branding on ur resume.
    Aug 1, 2018 6
    • Amazon barista
      yep, I know. I meant if google doesnt want to match then just go with them.
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Uber / Eng bag
      Barista, and if Google wants to match then? :)
      Aug 1, 2018
    • New / Eng salah
      Barista, so you could have said just join Google anyway.
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Tableau bb18hhqu
      No, he meant go to google iff they don’t match uber
      Aug 3, 2018
    • Amazon zxajvcyhwg
      Don’t join Google if they can’t give a good offer... their brand is not as good as it used to be.
      Aug 3, 2018
  • Uber Z154.05
    If you want to make real money join Uber. Uber stock could be worth 5X by 2025 or even more in the following years.
    Google is a fantastic company but it’s stock is already at $1,200, it will definitely continue growing but not as fast as Uber’s stock in the following 5-10 years.
    Aug 1, 2018 3
    • Twitter Call511
      Waymo will eclipse uber in 15 years
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Uber / Eng wrguinf
      Call511, Assuming you’re right (which I doubt), the better bet is still Uber because you can join now, earn stock until 2022. Hold until 2025, sell and then buy Waymo and hold for the additional 8 years of your prediction.
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Uber gyfrd32
      I bet 15 years from now, there will be 2-3 players with autonomous technology, Uber being one of them. What would matter is network.
      Aug 1, 2018
  • Quantcast iejdy
    From my experience, paper money is valued at least 33% lesser. I.e. in this case, Uber has to match you by paying 1.5x of what Google does
    Aug 1, 2018 6
    • Quantcast iejdy
      I understand your bullish sentiments. But still, that's the way market values paper money. Because there is no *guarantee*
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Uber yurt45
      But to be frank people who joined FB, Google pre IPO are the one who made the biggest bucks.The risk is high but the gain is high as well.
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng S.Nadella
      OP
      The recruiter sent me the same article with the 110b valuation. Yeah it’s definitely the highest L4 offer I’ve seen for Uber, whereas Google sometimes makes L3 offers higher than my L4.
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Uber / Eng bag
      Iejdy, not all paper money is same. Most are startups who have huge risk and are far from liquidity. Uber’s IPO is targeted next year, and it’s already big and proven. Not much risk there.
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Uber / Eng ligveh
      There’s very little risk at this point. We’re approximately 1 year and 4 months away from IPO.
      Aug 1, 2018
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    • Amazon / Eng S.Nadella
      OP
      Even the google recruiter told me they usually match 80% of Uber’s RSU value. Then he backtracked on that after talking to the compensation committee.
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Uber / Eng bag
      1p92, that would be for early/medium stage startups which are very risky. Uber doesn’t have that much risk at this point. It has billions of dollars of net revenue (after taking out payments to drivers, promotions, driver incentives etc). It’s already proven itself. And IPO target is second half of 2019 which is just a year away.

      80% match sounds good to me.
      Aug 1, 2018
  • Uber / Eng
    @w@

    Uber Eng

    PRE
    Capital One
    @w@more
    Jesus that's a strong L4 Uber offer. I think it's at or near the cap for it too.
    Aug 1, 2018 1
    • Uber gyfrd32
      Yes. It is..
      Aug 1, 2018
  • Uber YssI00
    $40 a share is questionable could be lower or higher but 6 month lockout too.
    Aug 1, 2018 3
  • Apple / Eng cho Chang
    U should have interviewed at places like twitter. Google does match their offers, but it doesn’t match startup offers at face value without discounting the stock.
    Aug 1, 2018 1
    • In my case they are putting zero value on the unicorn startup even though you can sell it's stock in secondary market. Just matching the base salary of startup. 😣
      Sep 16, 2018
  • Uber uberon
    L4 mid 2017 - 143k base + 6600 RSU. Your offer is really good.
    Aug 3, 2018 2
    • Uber yurt45
      Yoe?
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Uber Sr
      3 in US and 2 outside US.
      Aug 4, 2018
  • Google Yoshka
    Uber is a shit show.
    Aug 1, 2018 1
  • Uber gyfrd32
    Did Uber negotiate with you based on your Google offer?
    Aug 1, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng S.Nadella
      OP
      They made the max L4 offer initially based on the competing offer info I sent them. I didn’t have numbers from Google at the time.
      Aug 1, 2018
  • Agoda / Other
    Big_in_jap

    Agoda Other

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    Amazon
    Big_in_japmore
    Excuse my ignorance, but can you pls explain the 3 numbers 140 260 30 and explain how they add up to 225?
    140 is base?
    260 is stocks?
    30 is sign up?
    With 21 as bonus, I cannot get to 225
    Aug 1, 2018 4
    • Twitter Call511
      260 would vest for four years. So 65k per year
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Agoda / Other
      Big_in_jap

      Agoda Other

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      Amazon
      Big_in_japmore
      Silly - thanks!
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng o86:!&:8:)
      Isn’t it 384K (9600*40) over 4 years?
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng S.Nadella
      OP
      384 is for Uber
      Aug 1, 2018
  • Uber / Eng wrguinf
    Why do you prefer Google over Uber?
    Aug 1, 2018 2
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Ldkdneb

      Microsoft Eng

      BIO
      Hate coding quizzes but studying hard for better future!
      Ldkdnebmore
      Better WLB?
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Uber / Eng ligveh
      WLB is fine at Uber these days
      Aug 1, 2018
  • VMware tpei72
    Which team in Google?
    Aug 1, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng S.Nadella
      OP
      It’s under technical infrastructure.
      Aug 2, 2018
  • eBay BGeez
    OP how was your interview with Uber? What level of questions on LC. thx!
    Aug 1, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng S.Nadella
      OP
      Easy, then medium follow up, then a different hard. Another round was just an easy/medium followed by some systems design. Other rounds were design and behavioral.
      Aug 1, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng o86:!&:8:)
    Is the $13.5K joining bonus?
    Aug 1, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng S.Nadella
      OP
      It’s the annual bonus.
      Aug 1, 2018
  • New / Eng salah
    Yoe?
    Aug 1, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng S.Nadella
      OP
      5.5 but non cs degree so the first 2 yoe were crap.
      Aug 1, 2018
  • Box / Eng Gqwx32
    Is it for Bay area or Seattle?
    If you are comfortable with risks, then join Uber.
    I think Uber/Lyft do have significant risks due to regulations though.
    Aug 2, 2018 0