Happy Independence day from an Indian immigrant

New NidI04
Jul 4 105 Comments

I come from what is called the largest democracy.
Yet unlike the almost unrestricted freedom of speech in the United States, arrests (if not convictions) for liking Facebook posts criticizing political leaders are not unheard of. Sedition charges were once booked on students who cheered for a Pakistani cricket team.

Here in the US, even burning the American flag is protected speech (and strongly supported by the vast majority), while back in India, talking of freedom of speech gets you called an anti-national. There have been incidents of people being beaten up for not standing up for the national anthem in a movie theatre.

Unhindered by cultural norms and social norms, one is free to pursue happiness by dating people of all races, colors, sizes and shapes. It is been al most 4 decades since inter-racial dating has been normalized. Back in the largest democracy, we are so superficial and shallow that even today, marriage is more a matter of ethnicity, lineage, financial status, anything but true happiness. Killing a child for marrying outside the lineage is not un heard of in rural areas.

As an immigrant, I know what freedom is worth. Independence of the country that was founded on the principles of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness is truly a moment worth remembering.

Wishing all Americans and future Americans on Blind a happy Independency day.

TC:420K (Hedge fund), Yoe:8

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  • Microsoft 📦 Box
    Firstly, credit where credit is due - America’s freedom is truly something to be appreciated.

    Now, speaking of India - you seem to be living in some imaginary dreamland. You can not compare freedom in America to freedom in India. America is a society which has already advanced. The issues Americans face is not the same as the issues India faces, be it geo-political, economical or just resources.

    In India, you need an emotion to drive a cause. It’s not Switzerland where you say “stop at the red light” and every single person would just stop. I’m not saying it’s a good thing, I’m not even judging it. I’m saying you can not compare the two. India is a place where emotions drive a cause. Unless people emotionally connect to something, they are not going to contribute towards developing it - hence the need to derive commonalities among a diverse set of population - hence the need for a national anthem or respect to the flag. You are a privileged guy and you think everybody in India is like you, having a blind account and ranting about rich-people problems. No. You’re a measly 10% of the Indian population.

    The USA can afford to give the freedom to burn their flag and still be not bothered. India cannot. Don’t dream big without having your foundations laid down firmly. Deal with the noisy threatening neighbors, deal with internal threats, deal with naxal attacks, deal with people within the society who want breaking of India in the name of Allah and Afzal Guru. And then you can sit back and chill while someone burns the Indian flag. Your basement is shaky as fuck and you’re feeling bad that the high-rise on the next lane has a rooftop pool and yours doesn’t. Hilarious.

    Finally, just because someone has it in them to question your stance, they are triggered? You don’t understand how social media works then. Why are you scared of a debate, if your opinions are based on facts? Why name-call instead of engaging in a discussion? Afraid of being exposed?
    Jul 4 20
    • Microsoft 📦 Box
      @hooli.xyz

      “You don’t have that need in the US because there AREN’T so many of them. There’s majority white, there’s majority Christian, and most of them have English as their mother tongue, and majority of them have the same food habits.”

      Wow, is that what all whites like me look like to you?

      If you studied some U.S. history, you would’ve learned something about the early immigrants: English, Irish, Germans, Italians, Norwegians, Russians, French, etc.

      Each one also has its distinct culture, distinct language, etc.

      So your argument of “preserving lineage” is invalid."

      Are you SERIOUSLY telling me that every state in USA has it's own language, own dance form, own food habits, own dressing styles, own small trades, own festivals?

      Are you SERIOUSLY telling me diversity in the USA is the same as it is in India?

      Do you have any idea how diverse India is? Your early immigrants maybe diverse. But you didn't do a good job of preserving diversity, so as of today, majority of you fall in one single bracket, unless we are talking about exceptionally dynamic cities like NYC. And this is exactly what we DO NOT want. We do not want a single bracket, a single religion and a single everything. Why are you upset because the east doesn't subscribe to the idea of the west? We are not out here to convert and conquer. You seem to be in this mode where everyone should have it your way or they perish.
      Jul 11
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      “Why are you upset because the east doesn't subscribe to the idea of the west?”

      I’m upset? Lol, go read your post and tell me who is upset.

      You don’t realize how far off you are with your idea that America is one culture.

      You are also completely blind to the fact that keeping cultures distinct and “preserving lineages” is a DANGEROUS idea.

      Hint #1: A certain German fellow already tried it before and look what happened.

      Hint #N:
      Armenia, Bosnia, Serbia, Guatemala, Bangladesh, Cambodia, Darfur, Indonesia, Rwanda, ... what do all of them have in common? (hint within the Hint: certain ethnic groups tried to “preserve” their culture and lineages and look what happened).

      Hopefully, you’ll get those hints and realize why it is better to mix cultures together (like melting pot of America) than try to “preserve lineage”.
      Jul 12
    • Microsoft 📦 Box
      Hint #1:

      It’s not the preserving of culture that was dangerous, but the means to achieve it. We are not using those means. Your ‘hint’ is invalid.

      Hint #N:

      What’s common? Islam. Called out the cult earlier as well.

      Again, we are not out here to convert. You are.
      Jul 12
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      Wrong. Try again. I can’t believe you missed something huge. It is getting clear you know NOTHING about history and therefore have NO IDEA why “preserving lineages” is bad.

      Throughout history, world leaders justify their means and people blindly follow. Get the second hint and you’ll see my first hint remains valid.

      Another Hint: It is not Islam because Guatemala is Catholic, Rwanda is Catholic, Armenia is Apostolic, and Cambodia is Buddhist.

      Come on, use that brain of yours and do some critical thinking 🤔
      Jul 12
    • LinkedIn ex-fb
      @Box
      Look, if you VOLUNTARILY believe that preserving your heritage is more important than marrying someone you’re compatible with that’s your choice!

      We both would agree that on average in India there is more social and family pressure (sometimes quite extreme) to influence your marriage decisions than anywhere close to that of the US.

      This makes Indian culture primitive and lacking in personal freedom relative to the US, but more than say Saudi Arabia.
      So yeah, the OP is justified in pointing out that Indian culture is primitive.

      What is that you find it so difficult to understand? Perhaps if you used your brains and not emotions this wouldn’t be so difficult!
      Jul 12
  • Expedia Lark71
    Wth TC has to do with your post?
    Jul 4 3
  • New NidI04
    OP
    @Box, @bhai-log and everyone else so brainwashed that they are unable to appreciate American culture:
    Just go through this thread, and see the number of personal attacks -- Muslim, Pakistani lol.
    And not a single logical reply disagreeing with my post.

    This is exactly my point:- Indian culture is very primitive and shallow. Social pressure to marry by lineage and ethnicity more than personality, personal attacks when someone criticizes India instead of logical replies. On the other hand, US culture is way more tolerant.
    Jul 4 15
    • Microsoft 📦 Box
      @Goku

      Where am I denial about India being behind in civic sense and social values? Can you please quote me?
      Jul 4
    • Comcast G0ku
      @box You resorted to a lot of un-civic name calling and personal attacks in this thread alone. And you seemed to be defending people’s right to marry into their own caste/religion as “choice to preserve their lineage”. That is a scary concept. No true progressive thinks in those terms. Consider that extremists on the other side are also talking about white genocide and preserving their genes. Maybe you’re not as “woke” as you think you are, there’s some denial somewhere? I do not say this to insult you. Questioning our own worldview is painful, but the more you open up you mind the more blindspots you start seeing. Self-actualization comes at the very top in Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. Cheers
      Jul 4
    • LinkedIn boringdude
      Marrying within your ethnicity as your own free will is okay, albeit arguably dumb as you may end up missing out on someone who’s a better match.
      But in India there is social pressure to do so. Social pressure against divorces etc. this is superficial and primitive!
      Sure it needs to change step by step but as of TODAY Indian culture is superficial and primitive.
      You keep bringing up the need to maintain culture but that doesn’t justify being pressurised to do so!
      Jul 4
    • LinkedIn icWga12
      What is wrong with people on Blind and their understanding of US divorce rates? How are these people so technically skilled and totally illiterate at the same time? Because some Blind users can’t be bothered to read something that isn’t a code review, I’ll elaborate: divorce rates for people married after age 30 or for those with college degrees are sub 10%. Among those married after the 1980s, the overall divorce rate is around 20% and falls as marital year rises (in other words the divorce rate is smaller for those married after the 1990s, smaller still for those married after 2000, etc.).

      The big wave in US divorce was entirely driven by unhappy baby boomers that screwed up unconditional statistics for dozens of policy questions (e.g. opioid use). Otherwise the divorce rate is quite low. The bigger problem in the US is that lots of people simply aren’t getting married.
      Jul 4
    • F5 Networks bhai-log
      US is great - no doubt about it.

      But to prove it great, you don’t have to belittle India.

      All those moronic posts you mentioned are done by useless trolls like you.
      Jul 4
  • New NidI04
    OP
    For all the insecure folks trolling me:
    I just came across this post in a different thread.

    "Been married for 7 years now and I feel it's not working for us. We are not emotionally connected or really care for each other.
    Indian arranged marriage"
    So many posts like these on Blind and elsewhere only from Indians.
    Indian culture is shallow. People marry on the basis of ethnicity (caste) more so than personality and end up in marriages like these. The culture is also very primitive, as there is often social stigma against divorces and marrying outside ethnicity, forcing people to live in unhappy marriages.
    When was the last time you saw such a post from the average American? Probably never!
    Why?
    US culture ois not shallow like that of Indian culture. It is a culture that values liberty and happiness, and so people are not forced to do something that makes them unhappy like a marriage for the sake of it, especially for superficial reasons.
    Jul 4 5
    • Microsoft 📦 Box
      Smartass. Do you fucking know the divorce rates in the West? Do you know the consequence of a divorce, first?

      Go get your statistics right, first. Are you telling me by promoting inter-racial marriages, you’re eliminating chances of divorce? Go read up on divorce rates in the west and the east. Jeez man I thought you are at least a tad bit informed.
      Jul 4
    • Expedia Lark71
      Usa has one of the worst divorce rate.
      Jul 4
    • Microsoft sillyboi
      OP guy has drunk the USA KoolAid to Max. Nothing will change him. Let him find a white wife by doing his "dating" thing. He'll find out. 😂
      Jul 4
    • Microsoft 📦 Box
      I honestly think he has been rejected by pretty much every girl in his race/lineage or whatever, and is frustrated that nobody else wants to be with him. I can’t really blame them. This is a new league of muck.
      Jul 4
    • F5 Networks bhai-log
      Marking your content as hate post. ENOUGH!
      Jul 4
  • Uber gucciM
    Immigrant from the Middle East and couldn’t agree more. It’s funny I feel like I love America way more than the average white American I meet in SF. This country truly is amazing
    Jul 4 3
    • Twitter
      Oomnj

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      It’s all shitposts and jokes - get a sense of humor!
      Oomnjmore
      its all the fucking white guilt indoctrinated into students at all schools and colleges and tech companies and a lot of it is performative
      Jul 4
    • Qualcomm / Eng dynasty001
      Your average “white” American has nothing to compare the freedoms he enjoys here with anything else. So we become short sighted and take things for granted. We get busy in lifes and never stop to think how good we have it here.

      Sure one could argue that Certain European nations have it better , but how could I ever forget the country and people , the stangers who opened their homes and wecomed me here ?

      I love America 💕. I love Americans . Unequivocally .
      Jul 4
    • Uber gucciM
      ^qualcomm, I agree 100%, couldn’t have said it better 🇺🇸
      Jul 4
  • Twitter
    Oomnj

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    It’s all shitposts and jokes - get a sense of humor!
    Oomnjmore
    Welcome! Love when people show appreciation. There is nothing in the world remotely similar to the freedoms we enjoy here
    Jul 4 5
    • Microsoft SIRM47
      Lol, it's a great country and I love it. But having lived in several European countries and visited many others around the world, you're a little short sighted. Happy 4th! And try watching the first ep of The Newsroom.
      Jul 4
    • Twitter
      Oomnj

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      It’s all shitposts and jokes - get a sense of humor!
      Oomnjmore
      You got arrested for tweeting in Europe haha and for having butter knives in your backpack
      Jul 4
    • Microsoft SIRM47
      If your carrying butter knives, you're a crap backpacker. I still have my cheap and cheerful Opinel I got in France...
      Jul 4
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      Oomnj

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      It’s all shitposts and jokes - get a sense of humor!
      Oomnjmore
      Doesn’t matter if I’m crap or not, if you’re getting arrested for it you’re living in a tyranny
      Jul 4
    • Microsoft SIRM47
      OK let's be honest, you're not going to be arrested for carrying butter knives. Or any reasonable knife, if you're really backpacking
      Jul 4
  • F5 Networks bhai-log
    Proud Indian here. Total crap OP has posted.

    Thinking about applying asylum for your family?

    Are you Khalistani of Pakistani OP?
    Jul 4 10
    • LinkedIn boringdude
      But you couldn’t even come with a logical reply to any of his/her points.
      He/she clearly pointed out Indian culture was shallow in marriages and primitive in the lack of free speech.
      Shame on you for living in the US and being able to appreciate American culture.
      Jul 4
    • Amazon / Eng ScaleShit
      We dont have to deal with shit like this and neither we are interested.
      Jul 4
    • LinkedIn boringdude
      Lol! Translation I know Indian culture is superficial but I’m too brainwashed to admit the truth.
      And who the heck is we? Don’t speak for all Indians! There are non brainwashed ones like me who agree with the truth without being biased.
      Jul 4
    • Amazon / Eng ScaleShit
      I am pretty sure if he find bugs in system, he will change team
      Jul 4
    • F5 Networks bhai-log
      Very well said ScaleShit!

      America is definitely a progressive country. No doubt about it.

      But whatever you have posted OP is total crap. You may want to visit some Indian reservations in US or visit some wrong neighborhood in US. Also what about Travor Martin and the likes? Every country has issues.
      Jul 4
  • Verizon Media sxSG85
    Why salty against India bruh? The two countries can be mutually exclusive. Don't have to compare.
    PS: I agree with your points though, especially about dating and honor killings
    Jul 4 4
    • New NidI04
      OP
      Just being honest, that's all. Indian's tend to get triggered easily, so it would make the comments section more interesting.
      Jul 4
    • VMware offshore
      Lately with stuff happening in India like mob lynching, caste based killings, etc, I sometimes feel ashamed to call myself Indian. Hope things will get better.
      Jul 4
    • LinkedIn boringdude
      There are a lot of insecure So called patriotic Indians. I’m surprised they haven’t started trolling!
      Jul 4
    • Verizon Media sxSG85
      Yeah, I guess you’re right. I just think, the progressive act falls apart once you start digging into the social fabric of the country. The systems are not mature enough in India to protect all of those freedoms which are technically guaranteed by the constitution.
      I don’t wanna compare US vs India though. India has a lot to learn about what it means by civic freedom.
      I’m sure this post will be taken over in a matter of hours by trolls but hey 10 points for trying !
      Jul 4
  • LinkedIn boringdude
    👏👏👏👏
    Also an immigrant from India.
    On Blind and elsewhere, I see that the slightest criticism of India is heavily trolled. Contrast such insecurity with the tolerance to support the right to say things even those you don’t agree with, like burning the flag.

    In addition to freedoms, between the two countries I’m
    Familiar with, Americans are also less superficial than Indians,as the OP pointed out. Many in India still care about lineage and networth more then personality in marriages, but few here would admit how shallow Indian culture is!
    Jul 4 0
  • Amazon / Eng ScaleShit
    I hope this muslim guy doesn't bomb us. Please don't come
    Jul 4 1
    • LinkedIn boringdude
      Typical of Indian culture personal attacks in face of criticism. American culture is way more tolerant. Appreciate the culture you’re in instead of being brainwashed about Indian culture and living in the US!
      Jul 4
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    Your religion will be judged if you speak against India like this, Are you from AMU or JNU ? Those cheer Pak cricket team in India, not a criminal offence but shame on those guys
    Jul 4 7
    • New NidI04
      OP
      Sedition charges were booked against them for cheering Pakistan cricket team (subsequently dropped).
      On the other hand, the same will not happen in the US.

      Clearly, US culture has better freedoms than Indian. Why is this so difficult to understand?
      Jul 4
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      Why don't you become jihadi
      Jul 5
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      “Why don't you become jihadi”

      What does cheering for another country have to do with jihad? You’ve lost all logic.
      Jul 5
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      vargins in heaven waiting for you, you are threat to US
      Jul 5
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      “vargins in heaven waiting for you, you are threat to US”

      Lol, ok. I am white, grew up in New England, and was raised as Presbyterian. That’s about as far from “vargins in heaven” as one can be.

      I had no idea Indians can lose all logic and be reduced to babbling idiots when it comes to cricket and Pakistan. Very sad to see.
      Jul 5
  • Microsoft mfttse3h
    Credit where it is due.. usa is great! But with neighbors like Canada and Mexico, a decently educated population, it can afford all this.
    On the other hand, india has terrible neighbors, terrorists infiltrating the country, dangerous separationists, corrupt politics selling their country for money, India cannot afford usa level freedom of speeches and burning of flags.. If you need all that immigrate to usa if you can. Good luck and stop spewimg shit like this that just talks about one side of the argument.
    India already lost 2 land masses to an asshole like jinnah, cannot lose more
    Jul 4 3
    • Expedia Lark71
      India didnt lose anything to anyone. Destiny takes its course. By your argument Russia lost gold mine alaska, France lost f**** whole one third of USA (luisana etc.). Someone might argue USA paid for it. Sure, in that case currentvPak was also created by agreement between Nehru and Jinnah.
      Please dont do this on 4th of july about hatred. Live in peace. Nobody is saint here. Each country has own atrocities.
      Jul 4
    • New NidI04
      OP
      I'm just saying the facts that India doesn't have the level of freedom of speech.
      Sure, it can very well be justified. Never said it is not justified.
      Jul 4
    • Microsoft mfttse3h
      Then you should not be comparing apples to oranges
      Jul 4
  • BlackRock / Eng saywat
    Wait 420k for 8yoe 😳 what’s your location and skill set ?
    Jul 4 3
    • Microsoft sillyboi
      Lying to start with 😂
      Jul 4
    • New NidI04
      OP
      Phd + 8 YOe.
      Official skill set: ML
      Real skill set: working 80 hour weeks :(
      Jul 4
    • BlackRock / Eng saywat
      ML ?
      Jul 4
  • Google NSFW4
    Great welcome to America! I hope you help defend what we have... Instead of turning our country into the others
    Jul 4 0
  • Microsoft mfttse3h
    Pretty sure you will never be an immigrant if you are Indian :D probably expat at best.
    Jul 4 0
  • Facebook xnxx.com
    Bharat mata ki jai!

    Jailing of opposition happens in the leftest states with strongest british influence (see West Bengal).

    100% of issues in India were caused directly by British/Muslim rule and things have improved drastically since 1947.

    I’m very proud of the journey that the Prime Minister has taken us on over the last 5 years. His reforms have bumped us on ease of doing business, defense preparedness, etc.

    But really when it comes to india, this journey 1% finished
    Jul 4 1
    • LinkedIn boringdude
      Fair enough but as it stands today as OP pointed out and you can see in the personal attacks on OP, Indian culture is less tolerant and more superficial.
      Op just posted the truth. They didn’t say India is not progressing.
      Jul 4
  • Microsoft iuYF20
    Well If you want to know about the so called American Freedom and culture, Just watch "When they see us" on Netflix. Then please criticise India as much you want.
    Jul 11 1
    • LinkedIn ex-fb
      One dramatized portrayal of a false conviction and you think Indian culture is great?
      At least in the US, they were eventually able to get out while millions of poor Indians languish in jails because they have no way to fight for their innocence!

      Idiots like you who can’t even come up with a logical argument to the OPs post and instead rant something are part of what is wrong with Indian culture. Go learn how to debate!
      Jul 11
  • LinkedIn boringdude
    Curious how many fellow immigrants are familiar with first amendment?
    Unlike fifth that you see all the time in movies, I’m afraid first doesn’t get it’s due!
    Jul 4 1
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      It’s all shitposts and jokes - get a sense of humor!
      Oomnjmore
      That’s because they escape places that don’t have 1A and 2A and have hence descended into tyranny
      Jul 4
  • New / Eng MwSA45
    I concur 🥳
    Jul 4 0
  • Oracle okarina
    Democracy and freedoms are separate things. You vote for these rules and politicians that do not include freedom of speech, that's what you get.

    Bay area libtards voting to infringe on 2A, that's what CA gets.
    Jul 4 0