Has anyone at Microsoft got an annual performance bonus less than 10%? What was the % you got?

Twitter FPJx47
Jul 5, 2018 41 Comments

My 2 questions are in the title. Just want to see if or not it is usual to get performance annual bonus below 10% .☺️

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  • Microsoft / Eng
    MP3

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    • Microsoft / Eng FwwQ08
      The mistake you are making is in your perception of life. You think there is a certain point where everything is supposed to click, when everything is just right. What you’re really looking for is inner peace that is NOT to be found in the external, but within you, with the change of your perception of life. You want that feeling when life just is, when it is effortless to live, when you can enjoy life in each moment and know you’re exactly where you need to be at every moment in time. The mistake you’re making is seeing it as a goal, as an object to be achieved, whereas it is merely a result, a byproduct of your perception of life.

      You perceive life as a set of certain stages and your logical mind tries to grasp it, define it, because that is what you’re used to. However life isn’t a fixed thing but a process, life is change. Time does not exist - it is an invented human concept to keep track of change. Past and future are merely plays of your mind, and both aren’t real as the only thing that really exists is this current moment. You make a mistake by getting lost in concepts, suffering from the fact that your actual life does not live up to the artificial, abstract understanding of life created by your mind. Why do you reminiscence about the past, dream of the future, riding the emotional rollercoaster in this dreamland, while the only thing that is real, right now, passes by? Why do you work so hard to avoid the very thing that you want? You’re simply used to think of life in this way because of your environment, your conditioning, the culture you’ve been exposed to. It is simply a bad habit that needs to change.
      Jul 5, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng FwwQ08
      ^^^ MP3's post from this morning
      Jul 5, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      MP3

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      @FwwQ08: Thanks a ton!

      @blups:
      Well that’s a great thing! You had a direct experience where you felt living life was effortless. Did you notice how you didn’t have to do anything, while you were in that state, to feel the effortlessness? You just... were. You simply existed, and that was enough. And that’s where lies the key. If you want your life to be effortless, then you must observe yourself and see where you make your life difficult, where you tell yourself something like “once I get that promotion I’ll be truly happy!” and then all you have to do is simply let go of all these beliefs, and accept the fact that you can be happy this very moment despite of any external circumstances. You can be upset that you broke your leg, or you can be happy that you broke it in a way that doesn’t require a major operation! The difference is in your perception.

      Think about it. You may have a boring day, it can be meh, maybe you’re even dreading it? And then there is someone somewhere in the world who just found out they are finally free of cancer, they are cured! Can you imagine how elated they feel simply due to the fact that they will get to live longer? And for you... that’s just given, and therefore unappreciated until it is taken away. What is different between the cancer patient and you? The perception of life. You’re not happy with what you have because you’re too focused on wanting to get something that you don’t. And you’re searching in the external to calm down, to find happiness, to reconnect with effortlessness. Do you see the problem? The very search in the external is creating a lack, it is creating the suffering.

      Personally, I find an insane amount of joy in simply observing that what is around me. The act of looking, of focusing my awareness on something, is incredibly satisfying. I don’t need to buy anything, get anything, do anything, just let go of my awareness and let it settle where it wants. I can simply look, and learn from the environment around me without having to do anything! Right now I’m laying on my bed at my grandparent’s house and there is a fan blowing in the room. As the air reaches the wall that is next to me, it lifts a large photograph of me in my teenage years that my now deceased grandmother printed and hung on the wall. Given how technologically challenged my grandparents are, it must have cost her a lot of mental effort to copy the photo to a flash drive, get it printed. What is it in her that motivated her to print this picture of me and hang it on the wall? Her love for me, of course. And even though she died years ago, this photo of me hanging on the wall, being lifted a little by the fan, making a rustling sound, reminds me of her love that she had for me. The rustling is almost like a soothing whisper, a calming lullaby, it makes my eye lids get heavier and my breathing slows down to that of a sleeping person..... It is either that, or the stupid fan blowing on the stupid old photo, that isn’t even that good, that keeps lifting up and down and distracting me, ugh. The act of fan blowing and lifting picture is the same, but my perception of it, my interpretation, can be very different.

      I was also at a beach today, and I was playing the game of awareness where the goal is to simply pick a spot in my environment and direct my entire attention to it. I looked in front of me (I was lying on my stomach) and I saw a few ants crawling through the sand, their little legs making their way through the sand grains, sometimes struggling, falling. I saw a very colorful bug emerge a little on the right and it tried to climb on my water bottle, failing repeatedly as it was too slippery for the hooks if its legs. Clearly it wasn’t born to climb water bottles! It had a very lovely combination of red and white on its back, and after about a minute of futile attempts it just stood there on the sand, cleaning its whiskers(?). It did it with graciousness of a cat, taking its time to get the job done right. Wow, the sand is just crawling with life, it’s everywhere. About a foot in front of me the wild grass starts, there are different varieties of it, some taller, some shorter. And as the gusts of warm summer breeze pass by the grass moves with the wind creating this soothing rustling sound. Mmmmmm. I close my eyes and pay attention to that sound, I feel my body relax and sway just a little with the wind. I feel my hair being blown about just like the grass is, but my hair moving doesn’t make a sound. I feel the sun rays hitting the back of my neck, turning into radiant heat and cuddling me in warmth. I open my eyes and I now see a little bird next to me, a just little to my right. I guess it saw that I was busy doing my thing so it felt courageous enough to get close. It is digging through the sand hoping to find a whole sunflower seed among the shells someone left that got mixed with the sand. Oh look, it finds one! It lets out a chirp, and another bird lands nearby. It is very clear that the other bird is much younger, as its feathers arent very even, and it doesn’t have the graciousness, the eloquence of movement that the first bird has. I think it is a chick, fully grown, but still a chick. The inexperience gives it away. The first bird starts to dig in the sand looking for seeds and is clearly showing the younger bird what to do. It is teaching it! How incredible.
      Jul 5, 2018
    • Microsoft JDwb49
      Sorry for a banal question:

      How can I meditate when children are crying, the stomach is growling and the debt collectors are forcing the door?

      You've painted amazingly sweet pictures, but they all seem self-focused. Other persons are not just thoughts that you can just control with your mind.

      Being happy as a child requires good parents and environment. Not every child was happy.
      Jul 7, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      MP3

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      First of all, you have to keep an open mind here. I’ll try to fit in as much information as possible in a small amount of text. Treat what I write as pointers for more exploration.

      You have to understand that inherently, at the most basic level, the world just is. It is neither good nor bad. How much does a dolphin care about human children dying in Africa? How about a cell in a leaf of a tree in Baden-Baden, Germany? And yet they are. So children crying, winning the lottery, people being raped and murdered, coming of Christ, stomach growling, being fired, finding $1m treasure, being evicted from your home, Trump getting elected, finding the love of your life, your sister becoming a drug addict, etc, are things that are just happening. They just are. Like the sun shining - whether you think it is bad, good or neutral - it just keeps doing its thing. It is your mind that seeks to control, to make life logical and predictable, to make meaning, to be in charge. This realization is necessary for you to understand the nature of your mind - it’s job is to attach meaning to things, to decide when something is good, and when something is bad, to help you live day-to-day. Mind is a tool, it isn’t you. In one culture stoning someone is ridiculous and unheard of, and in another it is an everyday thing. You create a perspective, a mental view of the world, what is good or bad, as you’re growing up and then you use that lens to see and judge the world through. You may think there is a Right and Wrong ways to live, but that is simply an imprint of your upbringing and environment. Your personality, your persona, your “I”, doesn’t exist, “you” don’t exist. It is merely an abstract idea, an adaptation mechanism, an illusion created by your mind to help you navigate your environment. What you really are is awareness, consciousness. Of course, in practice you wouldn’t be able to survive in the modern world without the illusion of “I”, your persona, it has its purpose, if you completely let go of that illusion you’d turn into an adult infant. The key here is to EXPERIENTIALLY understand that your True Self is not the illusory “I”, it isn’t your mind, but awareness and consciousness. You have to experientially feel and understand that, the fact that you’re not your “I”, that you are not your thoughts, your emotions and your feelings. You need it so that you can simply let go of emotions, ideas, reactions, and accept that you can completely rewrite your personality in any way you see fit. You have to understand that saying something like “I’m an introvert, therefore I can’t talk to people.” is as pointless and ridiculous as saying “It was sunny on Wednesday and so I must get that $2mil house which will help the moon change its orbit to end global warming.” It is nothing but pointless drivel created by the mind to help you rationalize what you want to feel.

      So in practical terms, for example, if you hear there were 100 women raped and murdered you might feel bad, cry, wonder how the world is full of so many injustices, etc, but.... what use is your thinking and feeling bad? It happened, it is happening. If it doesn’t motivate you to go and rescue women and end the injustice, if you continue living your life the same way once you forget about the event, then isn’t the negativity, the emotions that you felt were... counterproductive and “useless”? Why would you spend your energy to focus on that event you’re going to do nothing about instead of going outside and helping your own community? Wouldn’t that have a better (from your perspective!) impact than feeling bad about about raped women that you’ll do nothing about? Do you see my point?

      And so to answer you question - you meditate by acknowledging, internalizing, accepting, that world just is. All the negative, positive, neutral, whatever reactions that you have to events in life are OF YOUR OWN DOING. The world just is, and therefore everything that is in your own experience is of your own creation whether conscious or unconscious - you cannot control the world - but you have full control of the lens you see the world through and how you react to it. That is one of the purposes of meditation, for you to EXPERIENTIALLY feel, see, accept that. It can take your WHOLE LIFE of meditation to be ok with children crying, stomach growling, debt collectors knocking. Or it could take you an instant - it is for you to decide and internalize. Keep in mind yogis do leave society and seclude themselves in caves/monasteries as it is incredibly hard to meditate with children crying, debt collectors knocking.

      I can not control other people, each person has free will and the right to live their life the way they choose, but I can control the lens I see the world through and my reaction to the world, and then again only to a certain extent. And, if I am in a great mood, full of acceptance, positivity and love, and that’s what I see in people around me (because what everyone sees in the world is their own world view, their own reflection), guess what happens? Everyone acts very nice towards me and it fits my world view exactly! Even homeless people, drunks, assholes, are somehow courteous and nice to me! By changing my own perspective I influence people around me. How? I don’t know, my body language? I know this first hand because I see how the entire world changes with my perspective, the same exact people around me change in a major way, but since the world was and is exactly the same, just being there, I know what really changed is the reflection of myself in the world that I see and not the world itself.

      I had far from a happy childhood. I have many childhood traumas that I’m dealing with. I used to be terrified of human touch, afraid to talk to strangers (what do I say? What if they attack me?), I always thought I had to prove myself in order to earn the right to live and be loved... There are VERY few people who had a trauma-free childhood. And with each trauma, belief, idea, that I let go the world around me changes, sometimes in a mind-blowing way. Experientially, I know that the human mind is not capable of comprehending reality in its entirety (even though that’s what I try to do every single day, all the time), because the mind is nothing but a tool with its pros and cons, and just like you don’t use a hammer for neurosurgery there are times when you have to use the mind and times when it is messing everything up.

      Do keep in mind that I’m just like any person. I am far from being in constant state of bliss and loving life no matter what is happening. I still get pissed off, get angry, react impulsively to something, etc. The difference is that once I started meditating, I am becoming more and more consciously aware of my reactions. I am aware of the patterns of my reactions, of my thinking. Instead of immediately reacting to an event in a pre-programmed way, in some situations I now have a choice to choose what I am to do. A bird shits on my shirt, my automatic reaction is to get pissed off about unfairness of the world, and I consciously notice that, and then I choose to laugh my ass off at the absurdity of the situation - the one time I wear a shirt a bird takes a shit on it within 5 minutes! Hahahaha! It is absurd! How could I possibly get mad and be pissed off if the situation is so absurd? I can’t! And so I walk with a bird shit on my shirt, and it is a great ice breaker telling people how I never wear shirts and one time I did a bird shat on it!

      Did I answer all your questions?
      Jul 7, 2018
  • Microsoft tKvD07
    I have been a manager at Microsoft for many years. For developers level 59 - 62, the "target" bonus is 10% and is what most people get. Less than 10% means there are some issues with performance.
    Jul 5, 2018 6
    • Microsoft tKvD07
      Before taxes, yes. It can be pro-rated if you did not work the entire fiscal year. Also, it will be based on your average salary for the fiscal year.
      Jul 5, 2018
    • Microsoft Windw
      Woah awesome. So I’ll get August. Sept + fiscal year. Wow that’s so much cash 😍
      Jul 5, 2018
    • Microsoft tKvD07
      September 15th is when you get the cash bonus. A lot of companies in Redmond run promotions that week to attract MS employees to spend their bonus with them.
      Jul 5, 2018
    • Truckstop.com તારો બાપ
      Do you get increase in base salary as well? I heard it is around 3-4%
      Jul 6, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng GalaxyQ
      You get a merit increase the same time of year. It's a bit more complicated. Not just based on performance but also where your salary falls on the bell curve for others at your level. 2-3% is pretty standard for target. I got something like 4.5% once, but usually closer to 3
      Jul 6, 2018
  • Microsoft bMjP63
    10% of your base salary? Or 10% of your “on target” bonus? It depends on your compensation plan because 10% may be your full bonus amount depending on your plan. In my org on target is more like 17%
    Jul 5, 2018 4
    • Twitter FPJx47
      OP
      What do you mean by "on target" bonus?
      Jul 5, 2018
    • Microsoft sleepytime
      I'm prob butchering this but each level band and role (engineering / marketing / etc.) has a range % for bonus. So for example, if you're 61-62 (I think...), You can get between 0-15% bonus....63-64, 20%, etc. On target typically is in the middle so 8% which would be 100%. 15% would be 200%. Or something like that....don't remember if the numbers I used are accurate.
      Jul 5, 2018
    • Twitter FPJx47
      OP
      Oh so "on target" means average of the range for that level.
      Jul 5, 2018
    • Microsoft sleepytime
      Or something like that. different teams have diff perspectives...you just have to make the budget line up so you could also pay folks a lot more but ding a larger number of folks with lower bonus
      Jul 5, 2018
  • Microsoft jGYP68
    I always got it below
    Jul 5, 2018 3
    • Twitter FPJx47
      OP
      Since how many years?
      Jul 5, 2018
    • Microsoft jGYP68
      6
      Jul 5, 2018
    • Twitter FPJx47
      OP
      Do you work for Azure or windows or bing or office or somewhere else? Revealing this won't reveal your identity since these are pretty huge groups. So please don't hesitate to reveal.
      Jul 5, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng GalaxyQ
    I've never gotten less then target for my level. Usually 120-140% of target. 200% once.
    Jul 5, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng
    wisz46

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    Always get 1000% of target
    Jul 5, 2018 3
    • Twitter FPJx47
      OP
      Hey, recruiter says that your get 0-20% performance bonus based on your performance. what is this "target"?
      Jul 5, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng psbutton
      Think of target as “Meets expectation”. And target will get you mid-point. In your case 10%
      Jul 5, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      wisz46

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      It was me following the typical etiquette of blind. Taking a roundabout jab at the guy who says he always gets above target which contributes absolutely nothing to the conversation. Just ignore it 😉
      Jul 6, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng psbutton
    Been through 2 review cycles. Received less than 10% both times. Strangely I’ve been promoted as well!
    Jul 5, 2018 2
    • Tango Health / Eng rawblonde
      What level before promotion?
      Jul 5, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng psbutton
      60
      Jul 5, 2018
  • Microsoft jGYP68
    I m an 'average' performer in terms of rewards
    Jul 5, 2018 3
    • Twitter FPJx47
      OP
      Do you work for Azure or windows or bing or office or somewhere else? Revealing this won't reveal your identity since these are pretty huge groups. So please don't hesitate to reveal.
      Jul 5, 2018
    • Microsoft jGYP68
      In btw azure & office
      Jul 5, 2018
    • Twitter FPJx47
      OP
      Cool. Thanks for sharing!
      Jul 5, 2018
  • Twitter FPJx47
    OP
    Great info. Thanks again. Where do you work now?
    Jul 5, 2018 0