How to avoid PIP at Amazon

Arista Networks / Eng Xkcdjoe
Jun 18, 2018 41 Comments

Im starting at amazon soon as a new grad. Already interned there. Ive heard horror stories of people being let go by first getting pip’ed. Any tips on how i can avoid being pip’ed? And is this something i really need to worry about? I’m really hoping for job security by working here. And please dont say leave before getting pipped as a response.

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  • Symantec Snoop Dawg
    Accept the fact - u r disposable. Now get back to work & ship my box
    Jun 18, 2018 0
  • Arista Networks / Eng Xkcdjoe
    OP
    You guys are horrible. I’m just trying to get advice from you as I begin my career. All I’m getting is a bunch of put downs.
    Jun 18, 2018 2
    • NAVEX Global HollaBackG
      Ask your boss what you should do to succeed in the first 3 months. It’s important to know your manager’s expectations.
      Jun 18, 2018
    • Amazon max9chars
      Don't expect help. Don't expect nice. Don't expect fair. Thicken your skin. However, ask for help (shows you are interested, and some of us WILL help you, genuinely), be nice (some of us WILL be nice to you), be fair (some of us WILL be fair to you), and don't be a bully inspite of your thick skin. Of course, work hard. You'll be fine.
      Jun 19, 2018
  • Amazon dbGU70
    You should know if you are trending to be placed on a PIP and for most (not all) who say they didn’t know, there is a reason they are being Performance managed. Get a mentor early to help you navigate the culture and to bounce ideas and scenarios off of. I love the fact that we have a high hiring bar and even higher standards for our employees. It’s not a cake walk, but that’s okay with me.
    Jun 18, 2018 7
    • Arista Networks / Eng Xkcdjoe
      OP
      Just needed to check. Because not many people on blind seemed to have agreed on amazon having a high hiring bar. I really hope they do though
      Jun 18, 2018
    • F5 Networks / Eng nlMD61
      Doesn't matter what others think. Will "others" come trying to save your job when you get fired? Also us you think Amazon doesn't have a high bar, it means you do not have great skills or meet any high bar either.

      This seems like your first gig. Enjoy your time at AMZN. Learn and grow. Stop giving a damn about what others think.
      Jun 18, 2018
    • Amazon dbGU70
      At the volume and growth we experience, yes, there are some poor hires, duh. The high bar once you are in, helps weed those out. Some people are just not a cultural fit. That’s okay... it’s not for everyone. You said you wanted help. I’m not a recruiter. I like Amazon and my team. Sorry that I am actually positive instead of all the complaining that goes on on here.
      Jun 18, 2018
    • Arista Networks / Eng Xkcdjoe
      OP
      Hey man i take everything i said back. Sorry, all the negativity on blind really starts getting to you eventually. Thanks for your words
      Jun 18, 2018
    • Arista Networks / Eng Xkcdjoe
      OP
      (This app can really get toxic sometimes)
      Jun 18, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng
    Hooliganss

    Amazon Eng

    BIO
    AWS
    Hooliganssmore
    Just do your work, and you won’t have to worry about it. 99% of the people that get PIP’d literally do nothing, and don’t participate in team shit (meetings, on calls, ops, etc). Just do the assigned work and deliver and you’re golden.
    Jun 18, 2018 3
    • Tinder / Eng
      meowimacat

      Tinder Eng

      PRE
      Microsoft
      BIO
      Im a cat! Meow 🐈
      meowimacatmore
      How is it that so many people get PIP if the criteria for not getting PIp is just do your work?
      Jun 18, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

      BIO
      AWS
      Hooliganssmore
      Because Amazon hires fast and fired fast. The company is so talent thirsty that they hire anyone that can complete a leetcode medium problem or two. This means a lot of trash gets through in addition to solid talent.

      OP stated they breezed through their internship, so they should be fine.
      Jun 18, 2018
    • Amazon QIQD31
      This is not true. I have seen people getting PIP'ed even when they were reallly good. You should probably target some other company as soon as you feel you dont belong to that team. It all depends on your manager.
      Jun 19, 2018
  • Amazon fUWV61
    Chill out dude.
    Jun 18, 2018 0
  • Dell ea497ac
    First rule of PIP club... if you're worried about a PIP you're either a) already on one or b) about to be. On the first day of Xmas my manager gave to me... a PIP and a LOC.
    Jun 18, 2018 1
    • Arista Networks / Eng Xkcdjoe
      OP
      But i havent even started. And i breezed through my internship
      Jun 18, 2018
  • Amazon ntvo77
    Work hard and strive to demonstrate the LPs and you will do great! You are just starting out and sounds like you had a successful internship so you have already gotten a taste of Amazon’s culture.

    Not everyone fits at Amazon. You need to be very self sufficient and adaptable as things move very fast. Despite what you might hear, talent and hard work wins the day here and it is very rare for someone good to be PIP’ed. Good luck!
    Jun 21, 2018 0
  • Amazon uUBN24
    The process has changed. You don’t get pip right away and manager has to give you option and even choice to get a outside team arbitration. Bottom line, if you work harder than others and you have good leadership principles like bias for action, diving deep etc then you will be fine.
    Jun 18, 2018 0
  • Tinder / Eng
    meowimacat

    Tinder Eng

    PRE
    Microsoft
    BIO
    Im a cat! Meow 🐈
    meowimacatmore
    Look up the face of Amazon.

    People get PIP even if they are doing well. Don't take it personally. Have a plan to get out of Amazon eventually
    Jun 18, 2018 0
  • Amazon Shaktiman!
    Focus on delivering results in initial months, this is most important from managers perspective.
    Jun 18, 2018 0
  • Amazon qQTo52
    Focus on earning trust and delivering results your first few months. Ask for help if you need it. You only get to be the new guy once. People want you to succeed. Also read First 90 Days if you can. Easy read that gets you thinking about how to hit the ground in new role. Oh and don’t worry about PIPs and such...just do your job well and try to have fun.
    Jun 19, 2018 0
  • F5 Networks / Eng nlMD61
    What's PIP and LOC?
    Jun 18, 2018 2
    • Gusto Television
      Performance improvement plan, lines of code
      Jun 18, 2018
    • Gusto Television
      Oh, just saw “LOC” in the other comment. Not sure what he meant there. I’ve always seen it used as “lines of code”
      Jun 18, 2018
  • Apple / Eng HandJobs
    Kneel before Zod
    Jun 18, 2018 0
  • Expedia Devdevdude
    As somebody who was considered (and reviewed as, and compensated as) a high performer right up until they decided I needed to go, I realized in hindsight that I should have taken advantage of more opportunities to move around. I was approached by other teams with some great opportunities, but I made the decision to maintain loyalty to my group. Then there were some management changes, and new folks (peers of mine, mostly) came in and cleaned house, elbowing out people they didn't gel with. My manager was - I shit you not - in tears when he told me he needed to put me on a pip, and he never took responsibility - told me straight out that he was instructed by his management to push me out. There's absolutely nothing ok with the way this practice is done at AMZN, but it seems to be ingrained in the culture. The reason to pick AMZN is to get in, do some amazing stuff (they spend a ridiculous amount on R&D for crazy bets that never see the light of day), and try to stick out that 4 years for a big vesting. Don't spend a penny of the stock, and then go do something more fun and less stressful.
    Jun 22, 2018 4
    • Good to hear this perspective. Thanks.
      Jun 22, 2018
    • Amazon qQTo52
      Thanks for your perspective. Was this pre Pivot at Amazon? I’ve actually seen what you described at other companies. It’s not at all unique to Amazon IMO. I am hopeful that Pivot mechanism with its appeal option helps here. Time will tell.
      Jun 22, 2018
    • What’s pivot?
      Jun 22, 2018
    • Expedia Devdevdude
      Pivot is not a keyword I recognize, so maybe?
      Jun 25, 2018
  • Amazon Willyyy
    Try absorb knowledge as much as you can and develop yourself. Sooner you’ll be technically standing out in the team. Now even if your metric is not shining, they won’t want to lose.
    Jun 13 0
  • Gap / Eng randUser
    Well OP how was your first year?
    Jun 4 0
  • Amazon / Mgmt
    NVVn51

    Amazon Mgmt

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    Amazon
    NVVn51more
    Find another job. Don’t work at Amazon. It’s a shithole here
    Jun 20, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng
    GHof23

    Amazon Eng

    PRE
    Huawei
    GHof23more
    You are just starting your career. Don't worry about getting PIP'd.
    Jun 19, 2018 0
  • Fitbit Stupidity
    If you have to ask, you most probably will.

    If you are this risk adverse, why join Amazon?
    Jun 18, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng Thisday
    Find a way to become manager then you can put people for pip then worry about for yourself. Chances of manager getting pip is less and ofcourse you have to be on top of all issues and sell yourself
    Jun 18, 2018 0