I can never work for Microsoft.

Boeing / Eng roboticist
Feb 20, 2018 55 Comments

After reading this article, I've been convinced that the turn I thought Microsoft was taking is a facade. They were pushing to become more open source. They seemed to become less sleazy and more professional. I even began to consider applying for a job because of this cultural shift. It looked like they were outpacing Google at Google's own game. I visited Redmond several times and was impressed with what I saw.

But after reading about the case of Eric Lundgren, I know the company has not changed. I could never work for such an ethically devoid company. Shame on you, Microsoft, you almost had me fooled.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/e-waste-recycling-innovator-faces-prison-after-losing-fight-with-microsoft/

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  • Amazon dxOW01
    Yeah MS sues for copyright violations, but Boeing makes military drones and fighter jets to kill people with. Amazon crushes warehouse workers. All the big companies got problems
    Feb 20, 2018 9
    • Microsoft BadRobot
      ^ This
      Feb 21, 2018
    • Microsoft cjdowxxxxo
      ^ did you actually read the article? The computers already had a windows licesne he just gave them the recovery disk. That old hardware already had a windows license there is nothing wrong with recovering it.
      Feb 21, 2018
    • Microsoft BarFoo
      The recovery disk is not his to copy. Copyright. The right to copy is with the copyright owner. Regardless of license. All he had to do was call up Microsoft and explain his plan to them. They would have said “no”, and he could have gone on with his life saying “Well, they’re stupid for not letting me, but that’s on them. I tried.”
      Feb 21, 2018
    • Microsoft cjdowxxxxo
      It's physical property and you can copy it. He is not handing out the license. Strop drinking koolaid
      Feb 21, 2018
    • Microsoft BarFoo
      Nope. He can make a backup of his own for his own personal use. He can’t distribute them.
      Feb 21, 2018
  • Microsoft uplevel
    "The discs had labels nearly identical to the discs provided by Dell for its computers and had the Windows and Dell logos."

    This is a clear copyright violation. He tried to pirate software and passed it off as official disks. How is Microsoft in the wrong here?
    Feb 20, 2018 0
  • Oracle Hardtogues
    So according to OP it’s ok to work for a company that produces weapons of mass destruction but not for a company that sued for copyright infringement.

    Got it. OP should get Nobel for ethical standard.
    Feb 20, 2018 6
    • Oracle Hardtogues
      Piracy is not a victimless crime. Maybe you seen this when watching a movie. And it’s not free. He distributed for free cause he was pirating. Microsoft doesn’t give it for free and it’s their product. You steal it you pay the price.
      Feb 20, 2018
    • Boeing / Eng roboticist
      OP
      You can download the recovery installer he was distributing for free from Microsoft's website. He was packaging the CDs with refurbished computers for convenience. The technicality is that he printed the labels to match the original disks. Not that he distributed free software.
      Feb 20, 2018
    • Microsoft TecA10
      It's actually 15 months not 15 years. There is no mention of 15 years anywhere in the article. Looks like you have a chronic reading comprehension problem.
      Feb 20, 2018
    • Microsoft kng
      Yeah thanks I was about to say it's not 15 years. No judge would sentence that
      Feb 20, 2018
    • Boeing / Eng roboticist
      OP
      You're right, my bad. 15 months, down from 47 max.
      Feb 20, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng Kbkbkb
    This is clear violation of copyrighted property. The guy seems like a good guy, but that doesn't make illegal legal.
    Feb 20, 2018 0
  • Microsoft crwalin
    So OP you quitting Boeing then?
    Feb 20, 2018 6
    • Microsoft crwalin
      So until then u have suspended ur morality wrt Boeing. Bravo!
      Feb 20, 2018
    • Boeing / Eng roboticist
      OP
      I stay the hell away from BDS and have since I joined Boeing. Strictly worked for the commercial airplane business. Which admittedly can be scummy, but I'll never touch a military program or help their business. But as long as the government has money to keep buying, they'll keep building weapons systems. I love the design of weapons, and I don't really think there's anything immoral about building them. I just hate the people using them, and thus won't help with a company that sells them to governments. I'd have never joined Boeing to begin with if there wasn't a giant divide between military and commercial.
      Feb 20, 2018
    • Microsoft crwalin
      Ok whatever u need to say to sleep tonight. Ciao!
      Feb 20, 2018
    • Microsoft / Product @zzzzz
      So I guess by that logic you can indeed work for Microsoft, as long as you can avoid the windows dovision.
      Feb 20, 2018
    • Microsoft BarFoo
      Or just as long as you can avoid the legal and higher up positions, since they decide on how the licenses work.
      Feb 21, 2018
  • Microsoft marching on
    I can’t really fault any company for protecting its intellectual property. Why would you?
    Feb 20, 2018 0
  • Microsoft crwalin
    OP what part of intellectual property rights dont u understand? Good that you dont want to work for MS, we don't want u either. Take your hippie logic away from here
    Feb 20, 2018 2
    • Microsoft kappan
      You wouldn't like it here anyway. Lots of get-off-my-lawn guys like the above.
      Feb 21, 2018
    • Microsoft crwalin
      If u r shitting around, then yeah gtfo my lawn. Otherwise u r welcome to roll in it.
      Feb 21, 2018
  • Microsoft M$FT🥜
    Kudos to Seattle times for publishing this article ... despite Microsoft being the leading employer and likely ad spender on newsprint in Seattle
    Feb 20, 2018 0
  • Airbnb QualityOfF
    Microsoft isn’t great, but it’s definitely much better than Boeing
    Feb 20, 2018 0
  • Microsoft An1lv7m
    It is not Microsoft's fault, it is the law. If they give exception for somebody and let them go with copyright infringement, then they won't be able to protect themselves against future infringements based on this precedence. And yeah, our copyright law is evil, I think it brings more problems than solves.
    Feb 21, 2018 1
    • Microsoft M$FT🥜
      Min they could have had him admit guilt and ask the judge for a smaller fine and no jail time. That way precedence is kept
      Feb 21, 2018
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    • Boeing / Eng roboticist
      OP
      Read the article, that's his sentence. It would have been over 25 years but the judge broke guidelines.
      Feb 20, 2018
  • Microsoft trolololo
    Agree with above peeps. He should have been more compliant with Microsoft, profit or not. And yes, Boeing kills kittens and puppies.
    Feb 20, 2018 0
  • Microsoft on
    Of he really wanted to do a change should had put a linux distro on those recycled machines.
    Feb 21, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng
    iamsosmrt

    Microsoft Eng

    BIO
    yeah, right.
    iamsosmrtmore
    Stupid or trolling?
    Feb 21, 2018 1
    • WordStream zOlh12
      Trolling
      Feb 21, 2018
  • https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-lands-ethispheres-list-worlds-most-ethical-companies

    You really don't know what the fuck youre talking about if you think Microsoft is unethical.
    Feb 21, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng bwahahaha
    OP, you're funny
    Feb 21, 2018 0
  • New / Product ambi_tious
    OP, did you go Bonkers working for Boeing? You guys are E-Corp.
    Feb 20, 2018 0
  • Microsoft MS Bob
    Boeing steals souls.
    Feb 20, 2018 0
  • BMW / Design Energeez
    I don’t get the OP’s response. This guy got caught “manufacturing 28,000 counterfeit discs with the company’s Windows operating system on them.” - that is a crime.
    Feb 23, 2018 5
    • Boeing / Eng roboticist
      OP
      Not Windows, recovery disks. The ISO for Windows recovery is freely available on the Microsoft website and uses the license sticker printed on your computer. However, if you don't have another computer with a DVD drive, you can't create a Windows recovery disk. He therefore distributed the recovery disks as a convenience so that new recovery disks didn't need to be burned by the end user. It wasn't actually illegal to distribute the disks. The illegal part was printing the original disk labels on the disks.
      Feb 23, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      torakusu

      Microsoft Eng

      BIO
      If you're going to stalk me, at least say hi.
      torakusumore
      Why don't you become a lawyer and go argue the case for the guy? I'm sure the defense haven't thought of THAT. You can be a hero for them.
      Feb 25, 2018
    • Boeing / Eng roboticist
      OP
      That is exactly why it's in appeals now.
      Feb 25, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      torakusu

      Microsoft Eng

      BIO
      If you're going to stalk me, at least say hi.
      torakusumore
      Because of that argument or because you joined their defense team?
      Feb 25, 2018
    • Boeing / Eng roboticist
      OP
      Because of their argument that I restated above.
      Feb 26, 2018
  • Microsoft Microsofty
    He's running a business... How could he not gain an understanding of Microsoft license terms before doing this? As noble as his efforts are this is really just someone who screwed up and ignorance to the law is never an excuse
    Feb 22, 2018 0